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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    No. An employer, if they REALY want to fire someone, can anyway. Your employee dead weight? Document it. Easy. Assign tasks, give a reasonable time frame, and then issue a write up should they not succeed. Is that somehow an impossible task for the poor overburdened employer? Got an employee with a bad attitude? Again, document it. Making trouble at work? Document it. In short, be present and proactive at you business.

    Got someone you just don't like and want to fire? Schedule them for 6 hours a week, at the worst times, the worst jobs, etc. They'll quit in no time.


    I really don't see what employers' problem is.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Personal opinion. Some have no issue firing employees. Some employers in fact like to do it.

    No one has said to protect "the deadbeats". If you can show how anyone is not pulling their weight/doing their job, that is absolute justification for firing them. The problem is firing them because of your (as in employers') personal bias against a characteristic of that person or a stereotype the employer has about certain "types" of people, not their job performance.
    You are grossly oversimplifying current reality. The employer has to essentially put together a legal case before firing someone. And the bigger the company the greater the concern/fear of litigation initiated by the person fired.

    Regardless of how frivolous the case maybe, the company has to deal with the legal expenses along with possible impact on "public image" of the brand.

    Just the way it is.....


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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    I've noticed quite a few people have mentioned that employees have the right to quit whenever they choose but an employer cannot end it the same way. Creating a double standard. Why should that double standard exist? Equality should not be about double standards. By the same logic if I am working somewhere and get a gay boss, a black boss, a christian boss or whatever and refuse to work for that person should I not be held to that same standard?

    Honestly I think contracts would solve almost all of this. Employee and employer should enter into a contract that they both agree upon allowing for certain instances where the employer or employee can terminate and other than that they have to work/employ for the duration of the contract. End of the contract either party can just say no.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    No. An employer, if they REALY want to fire someone, can anyway. Your employee dead weight? Document it. Easy. Assign tasks, give a reasonable time frame, and then issue a write up should they not succeed. Is that somehow an impossible task for the poor overburdened employer? Got an employee with a bad attitude? Again, document it. Making trouble at work? Document it. In short, be present and proactive at you business.

    Got someone you just don't like and want to fire? Schedule them for 6 hours a week, at the worst times, the worst jobs, etc. They'll quit in no time.


    I really don't see what employers' problem is.
    Employers absolutely find ways around it. No doubt.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Employers absolutely find ways around it. No doubt.
    That is because the law prices lying into the market.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I've noticed quite a few people have mentioned that employees have the right to quit whenever they choose but an employer cannot end it the same way. Creating a double standard. Why should that double standard exist? Equality should not be about double standards. By the same logic if I am working somewhere and get a gay boss, a black boss, a christian boss or whatever and refuse to work for that person should I not be held to that same standard?

    Honestly I think contracts would solve almost all of this. Employee and employer should enter into a contract that they both agree upon allowing for certain instances where the employer or employee can terminate and other than that they have to work/employ for the duration of the contract. End of the contract either party can just say no.
    An employee forced to work against their will?

    Yeah, that'll prolly fly.....


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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Isn't that what these "Right to Work" states are all about...that they can fire for any or no reason whatsoever?
    No. Right to work states are about not having to join a club to get hired in the first place.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    An employee forced to work against their will?

    Yeah, that'll prolly fly.....
    How is them entering into a contract against their will? It is simply them fulfilling their obligation.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    You are grossly oversimplifying current reality. The employer has to essentially put together a legal case before firing someone. And the bigger the company the greater the concern/fear of litigation initiated by the person fired.

    Regardless of how frivolous the case maybe, the company has to deal with the legal expenses along with possible impact on "public image" of the brand.

    Just the way it is.....
    Then do it. You take that risk of having more paperwork if you are a bigger business. Deal with it. But you still can fire people for being unproductive, lazy, or a work disruption, with proof/evidence.

    The real problem is (and I read a report about this), too many employers are unwilling to admit they are wrong about hiring a person to begin with or are too lazy themselves to actually take the time to pay attention to their employees and document relevant aspects of what their employees do or don't do. That is the problem.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I've noticed quite a few people have mentioned that employees have the right to quit whenever they choose but an employer cannot end it the same way. Creating a double standard. Why should that double standard exist? Equality should not be about double standards. By the same logic if I am working somewhere and get a gay boss, a black boss, a christian boss or whatever and refuse to work for that person should I not be held to that same standard?

    Honestly I think contracts would solve almost all of this. Employee and employer should enter into a contract that they both agree upon allowing for certain instances where the employer or employee can terminate and other than that they have to work/employ for the duration of the contract. End of the contract either party can just say no.
    The problem is that the whole "they can quit anytime they want" thing is not really true. First of all, most people have a job to make money to pay for needs, like housing, food, utilities, and other bills. They aren't working simply to work so they have to take those things into account whenever they even think about quitting a job. Second, quitting without notice can cause a person to get bad recommendations from former employers, reducing their chances of being hired by someone else. Plus, it makes it highly unlikely that, in the off chance the employee might want to get a different job with that company they simply left, that they will be able to do so in the future, unlike if a person were to leave with notification.
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