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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    What does that have to do with somebody having the right to hire or fire whomever he/she wishes?
    It has to do with an employer not having to fire as much if labor can simply quit and collect unemployment compensation on an at-will basis.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    I would; but, it may just be wasted if you don't understand the concept from I posted. Have you read a federal doctrine and State laws regarding the concept of employment at will?
    Look, if you want to make a statement then refuse to explain it that's your business. But Im not sure why you hang around a discussion board if that's your attitude.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) no what you shouldn't assume is that a sound bite means somethings, there hasnt been any debate because you havent explained one time what actually bothers you and why lol THIS THREAD isnt even about unemployment lol

    2.) you keep repeating this, its meaningless until you answer this question. Ready?

    Can a person not get unemployment in an work at will state?

    3.) answer two and this might have meaning
    dude, i know what i am talking about when discussing this concept. why don't you.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    I guess I shouldn't assume people know the concepts they debate.

    Under our current regime, labor, as the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism, is being denied and disparaged in their expressly enumerated rights regarding unemployment compensation in any at-will employment State.

    It can be considered a non race specific form of "Jim Crow" that only applies to the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism.
    What the ****? What right to unemployment? How in the hell is any of this comparable to Jim Crow laws?

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    It has to do with an employer not having to fire as much if labor can simply quit and collect unemployment compensation on an at-will basis.
    Unemployment is a separate topic here though so far as I am concerned.

    For me the issue boils down to one single principle. We each have the right to use our legally and ethically acquired money, physical property, and resources as we see fit so long as we do not violate anybody else's rights or we don't. If we do, the employee has no right to any part of that other than what the employer agrees to with the employee.

    If we do, the employer can hire and fire whomever he needs to in order to serve the employer's interests. The employee likewise can negotiate whatever terms he/she can get with the employer. The employer has no right to the employee's labor other than what the employee agrees to. The employee has no right to any compensation or benefit provided by the employer other than what the employer agrees to. And each will be looking to his/her own interests in the negotiations.

    If we don't, then there is no such thing as unalienable rights or individual liberties. We are all puppets of the government that will assign us the rights it wants us to have at any given time, and we are subject to the government's whims, whatever those might be. And nobody owns anything.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    I would; but, it may just be wasted if you don't understand the concept from what I posted. Have you read a federal doctrine and State laws regarding the concept of employment at will?
    Yes, it means that an employer may terminate its employees at will, for any or no reason. This relates back to the original topic since these are what is considered exceptions to at will employment.

    In any event, why don't you explain to everyone why you have a right to unemployment compensation and exactly what right of yours is violated by being fired.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    dude, i know what i am talking about when discussing this concept. why don't you.
    im sure YOU know what YOU are trying to talk about, nobody else does though lol

    how many people have asked you to explain what you are posting about? 5?
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) im sure you do think that but that fact remains it was being discussed
    2.) correct just like i said
    3.) again subjective philosophy im simply not interested in
    4.) same
    5.) it actually doesnt presume anything, you presume it does not the question itself
    6.) it can, and its not an ultimatum, if you think thats how easy an ultimative is formed then by that logic you are giving me one too
    7.) theres a factual scope of my question which would then lead to discussion and that discussion would also have a factual limited scope? really? i had not idea, please tell me what the factual scope of my question and the discussions that may come of it. also remind me about the "presuming line again"
    8.) you can disagree but its true there are not real limits only the one you made up in your head
    I forget what that was about.
    Indeed.
    Yet relevant to this thread, nonetheless. Perhaps even the main point of this thread.
    Heh.
    Whatever.
    Yep.
    You said that answers to your question would answer mine. I disagreed. Now you're agreeing with my disagreement. Excellent.
    I forget what this was about. Whatever.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
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    1.)Yet relevant to this thread, nonetheless. Perhaps even the main point of this thread.
    2.)You said that answers to your question would answer mine. I disagreed. Now you're agreeing with my disagreement. Excellent.
    1.) you are free to think so i dont have any interest in fantasy and philosophy on this topic.
    2.) false i told you i would LOVE to hear how you come to the faulty conclusion that the scope of my question ends where you think it does and where the scope of the conversation factually ends too
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) you are free to think so i dont have any interest in fantasy and philosophy on this topic.
    2.) false i told you i would LOVE to hear how you come to the faulty conclusion that the scope of my question ends where you think it does and where the scope of the conversation factually ends too
    How is philosophy not relevant to this topic? It seems at least partially so. Why do you not wish to enter that area of discussion?

    I don't know where the scope of your question ends, apart from for myself. However, as I said, it seems to limit discussion slightly, and appears to avoid some topics that I thought relevant.
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