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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    If I owned a business I should be able to hire and fire as I see fit as long as it breaks no law.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    As an employer, I have one problem with that. The employee can quit at any time for any reason and there isn't a damned thing you can do about it so it doesn't really work out as equitably as you suggest.

    As far as hiring I figure than an employer should be able to hire whoever they want to. I'm less inclined to make firing as simple because a simple clash of personalities can be used to really screw an employee.

    Someone mentioned pregnancy and while I couldn't condone the firing of an employee just because they were pregnant there is still a job that needs to get done and if that employee can't do the job due to her condition then there needs to be a little leeway. If she needs a couple of weeks off to have the baby and get her feet back under her that's one thing but if I start getting a call 3 times a week that she can't make it in because of this, that or the other it screws things up.
    If you hire good people and run a professional shop I see far more folks giving two weeks notice than just not showing up one day. There can be sudden changes in a person's life- however that would seem to be a very few and far between event. I suppose the smaller the shop the more potential for disruption if there is a sudden and unexpected departure. However I don't that as a good reason to be arbitrary in hiring and firing.

    Employee morale can be affected by bad bosses and that maybe the biggest cause for sudden departures. The job market is slow so people may hang on to a bad job as it is better than no job at all...

    When it comes to pregnancy I'd like to see a comp plan where employees can have time off and still be able to return to work once the routine settles down. Again small shops may have a problem with this but if the employee is valued.... There is a huge temp industry out there that can support businesses during the timeout for pregnancy.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If I owned a business I should be able to hire and fire as I see fit as long as it breaks no law.
    If you are in a country that values unalienable rights and liberty, if you own a business, there should be no law dictating who you must hire or who you can fire.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    ok lets try again

    can a person not get unemployment in a work at will state?

    an arson can do that, should a person get unemployment if the burn down my business?


    before you get any discussion out of somebody youll simply have to expalin exactly what you are talkign about instead of making empty statments
    I guess I shouldn't assume people know the concepts they debate.

    Under our current regime, labor, as the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism, is being denied and disparaged in their expressly enumerated rights regarding unemployment compensation in any at-will employment State.

    It can be considered a non race specific form of "Jim Crow" that only applies to the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    I guess I shouldn't assume people know the concepts they debate.

    Under our current regime, labor, as the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism, is being denied and disparaged in their expressly enumerated rights regarding unemployment compensation in any at-will employment State.

    It can be considered a non race specific form of "Jim Crow" that only applies to the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism.
    Care to explain that further?

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    I guess I shouldn't assume people know the concepts they debate.
    But you don't seem to be using the same concepts. And debate is when you make arguments, explaining what you mean, giving examples, etc. You're just making assertions without any attempt to explain as in or prove true.

    Under our current regime, labor, as the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism, is being denied and disparaged in their expressly enumerated rights regarding unemployment compensation in any at-will employment State.
    How?

    It can be considered a non race specific form of "Jim Crow" that only applies to the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism.
    What is "it?" And you still need to explain as in what exactly you're talking about.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    I guess I shouldn't assume people know the concepts they debate.

    Under our current regime, labor, as the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism, is being denied and disparaged in their expressly enumerated rights regarding unemployment compensation in any at-will employment State.

    It can be considered a non race specific form of "Jim Crow" that only applies to the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism.
    What does that have to do with somebody having the right to hire or fire whomever he/she wishes?
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    1.)I guess I shouldn't assume people know the concepts they debate.

    2.)Under our current regime, labor, as the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism, is being denied and disparaged in their expressly enumerated rights regarding unemployment compensation in any at-will employment State.

    3.)It can be considered a non race specific form of "Jim Crow" that only applies to the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism.
    1.) no what you shouldn't assume is that a sound bite means somethings, there hasnt been any debate because you havent explained one time what actually bothers you and why lol THIS THREAD isnt even about unemployment lol

    2.) you keep repeating this, its meaningless until you answer this question. Ready?

    Can a person not get unemployment in an work at will state?

    3.) answer two and this might have meaning
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Care to explain that further?
    I would; but, it may just be wasted if you don't understand the concept from what I posted. Have you read a federal doctrine and State laws regarding the concept of employment at will?
    Last edited by danielpalos; 02-01-14 at 04:55 PM.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    How?
    A person should be able to apply for unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed on an at-will basis in any at-will employment State.

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