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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    None of what I possted is non sequitur to the point I was making . And until you answer the one and only pertinent questin related to the point I was making, we have nothing else to discuss. What right does an employee have to the employer's money, property, or resources other than what is agreed beween the employer and employee?
    called it!
    a deflection, dodge and reframe

    thank you, i accept your concession

    you are right, until you can provide one factual or logical reason to allow an employer to violate our rights theres nothign to discuss because you have nothing, let me know when you do
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    LOL, I see what you mean DA60. I always was something of a glutton for punishment and tend to give even the most determined thread derailers a chance to come on board. But when they refuse to answer the simplest, most logical, most pertinent question, you know they're running on empty. So I'm done with that one for now.

    Interesting topic though.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    LOL, I see what you mean DA60. I always was something of a glutton for punishment and tend to give even the most determined thread derailers a chance to come on board. But when they refuse to answer the simplest, most logical, most pertinent question, you know they're running on empty. So I'm done with that one for now.

    Interesting topic though.
    another deflection and zero facts or logical support, thats what i thought you still cant post any support for you point/question.


    pertinent?

    ok

    simply, FACTUALLY, explain why your question is pertinent to a thread about firing and hiring for any reason and that would be illegal discrimination

    your question has as much merit as asking what color the grass is, if you disagree, by all means explain using facts why it is pertinent, I cant wait to read this. lol
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) so you admit that point was false and held no merit? I agree
    2.) i agree and illegal discrimination does violate the rights of others so theres the correct answer
    3.) this is NOT the argument at all by any means what so ever lol the right is not to be unfairly and unlawfully discriminated against
    4.) again not the argument, only illegal discrimination and violating rights is. Trying to reframe the topic wont change it.
    the employer is free to not hire or fire an employee for any reason it wants as long as it doenst violate the employee's rights
    5.) 100% false if its illegal discrimination and violates rights its 100% material
    Why?

    Why is all this **** illegal?
    Why SHOULD it be illegal?

    You're saying "it's wrong because it's illegal", but that's no argument at all.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Why?

    Why is all this **** illegal?
    Why SHOULD it be illegal?

    You're saying "it's wrong because it's illegal", but that's no argument at all.
    ahh now i see where you issue and mistake is

    i wasnt interested in making an argument, nor did i try, i was simply stating facts.

    If you would like to argue the facts should change, those rights should change and try to come up with good reasons to violate people's rights or take them away by all means have at it, ill gladly listen

    but i prefer to stick with those rights, I like my government protecting my rights and yours and the civility they bring to our society/country
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    I think they should be able to hire using any criteria they choose, but once hired, they should not be able to fire without just cause.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    1.)I think they should be able to hire using any criteria they choose, but once hired
    2.) they should not be able to fire without just cause.
    1.)so you are ok with hiring discrimination based on religion gender race etc?
    2.) this is basically how it is now.

    but for me since this part is not regulated by law and involves only my opinion im fine with somebody firing a person for ANY reason they choose as long as its not illegal.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    ahh now i see where you issue and mistake is

    i wasnt interested in making an argument, nor did i try, i was simply stating facts.

    If you would like to argue the facts should change, those rights should change and try to come up with good reasons to violate people's rights or take them away by all means have at it, ill gladly listen

    but i prefer to stick with those rights, I like my government protecting my rights and yours and the civility they bring to our society/country
    So all you wish to do is say "FACTS!" and point at current laws and the court rulings on them?

    What's the point of your being in this thread then?

    Seeing as the entire thread is about whether current laws and the court rulings on them are the correct path.

    Edit: Effectively, all you're doing is saying "Yes!", and not making any attempt to prove your position.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    1.)So all you wish to do is say "FACTS!" and point at current laws and the court rulings on them?

    2.)What's the point of your being in this thread then?

    3.)Seeing as the entire thread is about whether current laws and the court rulings on them are the correct path.
    1.) nope , guess you didnt read my last post here i quote it
    "If you would like to argue the facts should change, those rights should change and try to come up with good reasons to violate people's rights or take them away by all means have at it, ill gladly listen"

    so there you have it

    2.) see #1

    3.) this would be false since i was here early in the thread and now late but again see #1

    if you have a good reason to violate peoples rights or for taking them away feel free to state it, its gonna have to be really good but feel free
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.)so you are ok with hiring discrimination based on religion gender race etc?
    2.) this is basically how it is now.

    but for me since this part is not regulated by law and involves only my opinion im fine with somebody firing a person for ANY reason they choose as long as its not illegal.
    I think an employer should be able to 'discriminate' if he/she so chooses. Doesn't mean I agree with it, just that it is none of the govt's business.

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