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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    But it's not a "free" country. It's a country which was run and exploited by white males for centuries. The playing field is not level and has never been level. And without protection of the employee, it can never become level.

    No respectable woman should have to decide between providing for her family and her integrity.
    As long as you're willing to admit you support the idea it's okay for an employer to hold another's personal morality ransom for sex, then I think we both can agree we're not going to care for the other's opinion.
    I never said such a thing.

    And for the last time - their is no loss of morality (other then the loser trying to sleep with his employee).

    The guy hires the gal. He then tells her she must sleep with him to keep her job. She tells him to stuff it - and quits.

    Where is the damage to her personal morality? She didn't do anything immoral.
    Last edited by DA60; 01-31-14 at 03:15 PM.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Why do you support owners firing employees for refusing sex?
    So your question is about the owners, good. Why is the owner doing this and not trying to maximize profits?

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    But it's not a "free" country. It's a country which was run and exploited by white males for centuries. The playing field is not level and has never been level. And without protection of the employee, it can never become level.

    No respectable woman should have to decide between providing for her family and her integrity.
    As long as you're willing to admit you support the idea it's okay for an employer to hold another's personal morality ransom for sex, then I think we both can agree we're not going to care for the other's opinion.
    Who ran and exploited the country whenever is irrelevant to the concept of whether a person should or should not have the choice of how to use his/her own property and resources so long as he does not violate the rights of others.

    So if you believe that any person has a RIGHT to work for me.
    So if you believe that any person who works for me has a RIGHT to keep his/her job under certain circumstances.
    So if you believe that the law should be able to forbid me from firing somebody or require me to hire somebody. . . .

    Then you do not believe in the unalienable right to our property and possessions that were acquired legally and ethically. Why don't we just throw all the concepts of unalienable rights out the window and admit that we are under totalitarian rule with no rights at all other than what the government decides we might have today and maybe tomorrow too?
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I never said such a thing.
    Yes, you did. You think it's okay to be put into a situation where she has to decide between compromising her moral integrity or being unable to provide for her family based upon the outcome of her decision on whether or not she should have sex with her boss.
    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    So your question is about the owners, good. Why is the owner doing this and not trying to maximize profits?
    So you admit you're okay with bosses firing employees for refusing sex?
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Who ran and exploited the country whenever is irrelevant to the concept of whether a person should or should not have the choice of how to use his/her own property and resources so long as he does not violate the rights of others.
    It's not irrelevant, it's incredibly relevant. I've already told you why.

    So if you believe that any person has a RIGHT to work for me.
    I believe no one should be denied the opportunity for a living based upon gender or race.
    So if you believe that any person who works for me has a RIGHT to keep his/her job under certain circumstances.
    So if you believe that the law should be able to forbid me from firing somebody or require me to hire somebody. . . .
    I believe the law should prohibit your from ruining people's lives because they refuse to do something illegal or immoral. As for what's considered immoral, that would require legislation to determine.

    Then you do not believe in the unalienable right to our property and possessions that were acquired legally and ethically. Why don't we just throw all the concepts of unalienable rights out the window and admit that we are under totalitarian rule with no rights at all other than what the government decides we might have today and maybe tomorrow too?
    Since when did you have the inalienable right to control another person's life by using money produced by the government and benefiting from taxpayer dollars? People are neither your property or your possessions. If you want total control of your business, don't look to hire anyone. But the moment you agree to accept benefits provided by the US government (currency, taxpayer built roads, etc.), your concept of "unalienable" rights loses value.

    It's incredibly convenient for you to take the benefits granted to you by the people of this country and then turn around and demand you have the "unalienable" right to do what you want with the lives of those who helped make your business possible.
    Last edited by Slyfox696; 01-31-14 at 03:52 PM.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    So you admit you're okay with bosses firing employees for refusing sex?
    Why is the owner doing this and not trying to maximize profits?

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Yes, you did. You think it's okay to be put into a situation where she has to decide between compromising her moral integrity or being unable to provide for her family based upon the outcome of her decision on whether or not she should have sex with her boss.
    So you admit you're okay with bosses firing employees for refusing sex?
    It's not irrelevant, it's incredibly relevant. I've already told you why.

    I believe no one should be denied the opportunity for a living based upon gender or race.
    I believe the law should prohibit your from ruining people's lives because they refuse to do something illegal or immoral. As for what's considered immoral, that would require legislation to determine.


    Since when did you have the inalienable right to control another person's life by using money produced by the government and benefiting from taxpayer dollars? People are neither your property or your possessions. If you want total control of your business, don't look to hire anyone. But the moment you agree to accept benefits provided by the US government (currency, taxpayer built roads, etc.), your concept of "unalienable" rights loses value.

    It's incredibly convenient for you to take the benefits granted to you by the people of this country and then turn around and demand you have the "unalienable" right to do what you want with the lives of those who helped make your business possible.
    I thought about identifying all the straw men and non sequitur comments built into your response. And then I thought, naw. Why bother? You obviously totally missed the point I was making, and I doubt any argument would be able to clarify that for you. But do have a wonderful day.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Yes, you did. You think it's okay to be put into a situation where she has to decide between compromising her moral integrity or being unable to provide for her family based upon the outcome of her decision on whether or not she should have sex with her boss.
    So you admit you're okay with bosses firing employees for refusing sex?
    It's not irrelevant, it's incredibly relevant. I've already told you why.

    I believe no one should be denied the opportunity for a living based upon gender or race.
    I believe the law should prohibit your from ruining people's lives because they refuse to do something illegal or immoral. As for what's considered immoral, that would require legislation to determine.


    Since when did you have the inalienable right to control another person's life by using money produced by the government and benefiting from taxpayer dollars? People are neither your property or your possessions. If you want total control of your business, don't look to hire anyone. But the moment you agree to accept benefits provided by the US government (currency, taxpayer built roads, etc.), your concept of "unalienable" rights loses value.

    It's incredibly convenient for you to take the benefits granted to you by the people of this country and then turn around and demand you have the "unalienable" right to do what you want with the lives of those who helped make your business possible.
    I will ask you again:

    The guy hires the gal. He then tells her she must sleep with him to keep her job. She tells him to stuff it - and quits.

    Where is the damage to her personal morality?

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I will ask you again:

    The guy hires the gal. He then tells her she must sleep with him to keep her job. She tells him to stuff it - and quits.

    Where is the damage to her personal morality?
    Exactly. Many of us who were in the workforce before sexual harassment became a political football did experience that from time to time. Usually the boss or supervisor or coworkers accepted 'no' as 'no' and life went on as usual. If they didn't, we quit. It was as simple as that. Never occurred to us that we were helpless in the situation or that anybody needed to deal with it other than us. And if somebody got fired because she wouldn't sleep with the boss, well she was well out of that situation wasn't she?

    Sometimes we make things so much harder than they have to be.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish[W:126]

    I love reading the supporters of bigotry and discrimination dance and dance dance hoping the spaghetti they throw at the wall stick, but it never does.

    Firing somebody or not hiring somebody simply because of race, gender, religion etc is illegal and it should remain that way, theres no logic to support allowing it.

    These are rules/laws we ALL must play by in the public realm area and with public access business.
    If people dont like these laws and rules the solution is VERY simple. . . . . .. Dont open a business, nobody is forcing you too lol

    or you can also work privately like out of your home and have other options


    if you do open a business and then you CHOOSE to break the law, sorry about your luck idiot, breaking the law as consequences.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish[W:126]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Firing somebody or not hiring somebody simply because of race, gender, religion etc is illegal and it should remain that way, theres no logic to support allowing it.
    It is not illegal always.

    Facts and logic prove you wrong.

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