Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish
Slyfox696 said:
If you listen hard enough, you can probably hear me roll my eyes.
They make eye drops for that.
Slyfox696 said:
But they ARE forced to work in SOME industry or business.
Every person on the face of the planet must choose to provide for themselves and their family or to allow them to die. Perhaps this is a harsh and unfair condition, but it is the reality in which we live. Furthermore, every person has the capacity to attain the necessary means to satisfy their ends in a variety of ways. Wage earning is simply one method. Again, not everyone is born into a fantastically rich family, but not everyone is born with two legs and ten fingers either. Nature finds it necessary to bestow each person with a different set of attributes which includes strengths and weaknesses. It is up to each individual to determine how best to provide themselves with a rich and full life, not society.
Slyfox696 said:
Or they can send those jobs overseas to China where they can pay employees $.15 an hour with no bathroom break.
You would prefer that Chinese workers toil in the fields for $.05 an hour?
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Slyfox696 said:
Explain Wal-Mart then. Poorly compensated, unhelpful workers and it's easily the largest supermarket chain in America.
Many people boycott Walmart because of perceived injustices it commits against its workers and suppliers. Many more do not hold this belief.
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Slyfox696 said:
And in many places, refusing to hire black people will boost their business with those who are racist.
The opposite is true as well. Hobby Lobby has publicly taken a very pro-Christian stance and has likely enhanced its image with similar ideological customers while losing a few anti-Christian customers. Does this action fall in your definition of unacceptable? Christian book stores stock, oddly enough, Christian books. Is this discriminatory? Jewish Temples only hire Jews. Discriminatory? Yes. Should it be prohibited? You seem to think so.
Slyfox696 said:
Granting all power in a job relationship to the employer is not freedom, it's oppression of the employee.
If you owned a business you would quickly realize that employers by no means have all the power. The act of hiring competent employees is damn near impossible. So many people today believe that having a job is a right so they give very little productive effort. Even the workers who have a decent work ethic do not put forth even remotely as much effort as the owners because they are guaranteed a paycheck. The owners must assume all of the risk and
hope for a profit, but the employees simply have to show up and not screw up enough to get fired. People like you want to encourage this behavior.
As someone mentioned previously, it is neither enjoyable nor efficient to fire an employee. However little productive labor was obtained will suddenly be lost. Production schedules need to be adjusted. Output is affected which changes customer attitude. Time needs to be diverted from productive labor to searching for a replacement employee. More time needs to be diverted to training. All in the hopes that the person who probably lied through his teeth during his interview will turn out to enjoy the job enough that he won’t quit within a week or two.
Yet the employer has all of the power? Incredible!
An employee shows up, clocks in, and lollygags for a couple minutes while slowly getting into the day’s routine. Takes a break or two. BSs with his coworkers. Takes a nice long lunch. And finally goes home at an established time. Perhaps he is “unlucky” enough to work overtime and get time and a half. But at the end of the pay period, whether the business made a profit or not, he gets a paycheck. Perhaps after work he goes to school and looks for a better job. Then one day he gives his two week notice (if the employer is lucky) and off he goes to a better job.
Woe is me! Poor employee!
The simple truth is that the employee is at the mercy of the employer while the employer is at the mercy of the employee. It is a symbiotic relationship which is completely unsustainable without both parties. Power is shared between the two of them and bickering about who has more or less power is nothing more than an act of cutting hairs.
Slyfox696 said:
So...making sure people are treated equally is tyrannical?
People are not equal! Attempting to make them so is tyrannical because you have to forcefully pull some down to push others up.
