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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Isn't that what these "Right to Work" states are all about...that they can fire for any or no reason whatsoever?

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    For all that said no, what if you put yourself in the capitalist's shoes. Wouldn't you want the freedom to invest your capital as you see fit? Would you like to continue to have to pay dead weight to be unproductive, even counterproductive? Why do you think it is the capitalist's duty to provide well being for everybody? Isn't that the responsibility of the individual?

    Let's get this straight once and for all: capitalism is not a social program, It's only function is to create as much return on capital as possible in the most efficient way possible, nothing more nothing less.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Isn't that what these "Right to Work" states are all about...that they can fire for any or no reason whatsoever?
    You seem to be very confused...


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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Yes, for any reason.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    But if you're firing them for cause then why have protected classes at all? That's what I hate about the EEOC rules. It gives someone fired for cause a reason to come back after the employer and that costs money whether it's a legitimate claim or not.

    For example, several years ago I had a client who is a real estate appraiser fire an employee because she was disruptive and abusive. The NLRB ended up getting involved and he had to pay her something like 3 months pay and post some bull**** apology in the office.
    Wasn't there something in the news related to Obama and the NRLB? Hmmm...
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    It's a tough place to be. Like others have said, the employer needs someone to do the job and if the person isn't there (for like a pregnancy) how can the job get done? And the employee can quit immediately as well, which also screws the employer. On the other hand, people live out their daily life with the knowledge a pay check will be coming and the decisions they make based on that paycheck are crucial.

    I think the best middle ground is a firing process. When companies hire someone, there is usually a (sometimes lengthy) hiring process, so a firing process can help bridge the gap. The employer gives the soon to be fired a notice (let's say two weeks ahead of time), letting them know their employment will soon be terminated. During this process, if the employee demonstrates a malice towards the business and willfully attempts to damage the business as an employee, then they can be let go immediately, but the employer has to pay a prorated fine (of how much or to whom, I have no idea yet). If the employee stays on and continues to work as before, then they now have a chance to look for a new job while still receiving a paycheck. And, of course, they can file the necessary paperwork for unemployment.

    This idea is just off the top of my head, have never really put much thought into it. There's undoubtedly tweaks to be made and loopholes to be closed, but it provides protection to the employee, while still not burdening the employer too much more.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    You know hiring and firing employees isn't some kind of entertainment for employers. It's a ****ing hassle, and I have friends that own businesses. Not once have they conveyed to me any thrill in firing someone, it's a hassle and emotional draining because it's usually been months in the making. Then they have to find a new suitable employee, which isn't always easy. So anyone that's all about over-protecting the deadbeats need to get the idea out of their heads that getting rid of employees is some kind of easy process, enjoyed by employers. Do you have jerks out there that fire people for no reason at all, sure just like you have exceptions for everything in the world.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by point1percent View Post
    For all that said no, what if you put yourself in the capitalist's shoes. Wouldn't you want the freedom to invest your capital as you see fit? Would you like to continue to have to pay dead weight to be unproductive, even counterproductive? Why do you think it is the capitalist's duty to provide well being for everybody? Isn't that the responsibility of the individual?

    Let's get this straight once and for all: capitalism is not a social program, It's only function is to create as much return on capital as possible in the most efficient way possible, nothing more nothing less.
    If an employee is truly "dead weight", "unproductive", or "counterproductive", then you should be able to justify that by showing their work performance or behavior at work or something that shows that in their history prior to them being hired. But if you are assuming these things are true from simple characteristics they have, race, gender, sexuality, who they are in a relationship with, their hair/eye color, or some other arbitrary quality that truly has no bearing on how well they do their job, then you are allowing your bias to show in how much you truly don't care for your business but rather prefer your personal judgements of others.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You know hiring and firing employees isn't some kind of entertainment for employers. It's a ****ing hassle, and I have friends that own businesses. Not once have they conveyed to me any thrill in firing someone, it's a hassle and emotional draining because it's usually been months in the making. Then they have to find a new suitable employee, which isn't always easy. So anyone that's all about over-protecting the deadbeats need to get the idea out of their heads that getting rid of employees is some kind of easy process, enjoyed by employers. Do you have jerks out there that fire people for no reason at all, sure just like you have exceptions for everything in the world.
    Personal opinion. Some have no issue firing employees. Some employers in fact like to do it.

    No one has said to protect "the deadbeats". If you can show how anyone is not pulling their weight/doing their job, that is absolute justification for firing them. The problem is firing them because of your (as in employers') personal bias against a characteristic of that person or a stereotype the employer has about certain "types" of people, not their job performance.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Personal opinion. Some have no issue firing employees. Some employers in fact like to do it.

    No one has said to protect "the deadbeats". If you can show how anyone is not pulling their weight/doing their job, that is absolute justification for firing them. The problem is firing them because of your (as in employers') personal bias against a characteristic of that person or a stereotype the employer has about certain "types" of people, not their job performance.
    Then could have just not hired them from the start. This isn't all cut and dried, and btw most everything posted around here is opinion.
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