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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Outside of instances where it can be clearly demonstrated that it's discrimination based on a protecetd class, no.

    HOWEVER, like I said, it needs to be clear.

    You can't fire someone for being christian. You should be able to fire them however if they say something religious that offends a customer and can potentially cause your business damage. Why? Because you're not firing them for being christian, you're firing them due to the potential damage they're doing to your business.

    You can't fire someone for being Gay. You should be able to fire them however if they came to work in completley socially inappropriate clothing that causes a customer to complain and potentially doing your business harm. Why? Same as the above, yo'ure firing them not becuase they're gay but because of their ACTIONS.

    Basically, look at the reason for firing and ask yourself "if the same thing happened, but they weren't [protected group] would it still be reasonable to fire someone".

    This is why I didn't have an issue legally with A&E suspending the Duck Dynasty guy. It's why I don't have an issue with the guy dressing up as the straight jacketed Obama being fired. Or the editor for writing an anti-obama headline. Or the Applebees lady who posted a receipt online from a pastor who left a complaint. Or the woman fired from a catholic school for getting invitro fertilization. Or conversely, why I had no problem with Wegman's setting up a sign to ask people not to bring pork or alcohol down an aisle with a muslim teen cashier.

    Now, granted...I think you need some solid and legitimate documentation if you're firing someone of those particularly protected groups to demonstrate that the firing is not BECAUSE they're gay, or black, or pregnant, etc. But as long as there is a solid and legitimate reasoning that would be sound if the person wasn't that protected group, then to me that shows the firing is NOT because of their protected status but rather becuase of their chosen ACTIONS that directly relate to business and/or their contract in some fashion.
    But if you're firing them for cause then why have protected classes at all? That's what I hate about the EEOC rules. It gives someone fired for cause a reason to come back after the employer and that costs money whether it's a legitimate claim or not.

    For example, several years ago I had a client who is a real estate appraiser fire an employee because she was disruptive and abusive. The NLRB ended up getting involved and he had to pay her something like 3 months pay and post some bull**** apology in the office.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    As a member of a protected class, I say no thank you.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    They cannot fire for illegal reasons. Otherwise, it's their business.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Private business. Private. Key work here. It's private, IE: owner has the right to do what he/she wants with the place. When the employee becomes the owner, he/she can make the calls.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    anonymous polls suck

    I say a private employer has the absolute right to do so. I don't believe that the federal government was PROPERLY delegated the power to impose Title VII. its a law I would remove



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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    As an employer,I say no.

    I consider employment to involve a certain social contract that works in both directions rather than just one.
    As an HR Executive, I say HELL NO
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Outside of instances where it can be clearly demonstrated that it's discrimination based on a protecetd class, no.

    HOWEVER, like I said, it needs to be clear.

    You can't fire someone for being christian. You should be able to fire them however if they say something religious that offends a customer and can potentially cause your business damage. Why? Because you're not firing them for being christian, you're firing them due to the potential damage they're doing to your business.

    You can't fire someone for being Gay. You should be able to fire them however if they came to work in completley socially inappropriate clothing that causes a customer to complain and potentially doing your business harm. Why? Same as the above, yo'ure firing them not becuase they're gay but because of their ACTIONS.

    Basically, look at the reason for firing and ask yourself "if the same thing happened, but they weren't [protected group] would it still be reasonable to fire someone".

    This is why I didn't have an issue legally with A&E suspending the Duck Dynasty guy. It's why I don't have an issue with the guy dressing up as the straight jacketed Obama being fired. Or the editor for writing an anti-obama headline. Or the Applebees lady who posted a receipt online from a pastor who left a complaint. Or the woman fired from a catholic school for getting invitro fertilization. Or conversely, why I had no problem with Wegman's setting up a sign to ask people not to bring pork or alcohol down an aisle with a muslim teen cashier.

    Now, granted...I think you need some solid and legitimate documentation if you're firing someone of those particularly protected groups to demonstrate that the firing is not BECAUSE they're gay, or black, or pregnant, etc. But as long as there is a solid and legitimate reasoning that would be sound if the person wasn't that protected group, then to me that shows the firing is NOT because of their protected status but rather becuase of their chosen ACTIONS that directly relate to business and/or their contract in some fashion.
    I agree with this pretty much to the tee.
    I just cant say the same about your examples only because im not familiar with all of them though.

    anyway on a general note yes in a civilized society where people have individual rights and then theres laws and rules and societal rights . . . . .

    Of course not, NO a business should not be able to fire or not hire people for any reason what so ever.

    These laws protect us all unless of course you dont have a gender, a race, a religion, a sexual orientation etc etc

    are there abuses of these protections laws? of course but the problem is with the abuse NOT the law.

    there are bad judges and cops too? is the solution just git rid of them all? of course not, you address the actually issue.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Title kind of sums it up.


    Certainly not.

    Although "butt ugly" should be a valid criteria. Disrupts continuity of the workforce. Distracting....


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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Title kind of sums it up.
    Sure, sounds good.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Title kind of sums it up.
    An employer shouldn't be allowed to fire people for any reason.Because an employer can fire a person because he or she is different race,different political leaning, about to retire,wants to replace with a newer cheaper worker or some other ****ty reason under the guise they just felt like firing that person.The only reasons a company should be allowed to fire an employee is if that employee is not doing their job right, the company is going under or if that employee's job is going to be done by a machine.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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