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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by lawboy View Post
    What about # 2 then?
    It is the same principle. Yes an honorable employer would bend over backwards to not fire an employee who received a summons to appear in court, especially through no fault of his/her own. But then good employers bend over backwards to keep good employees. In this increasingly 'the world owes me a living' world, it is often more difficult to find and hire good people in the first place. But again the employer hires people he needs to fill specific positions, and liberty requires him to be able to fill those positions as he sees fit and that best serve his interests. When the government presumes to dictate who and how he must do that, the government has appropriated control of the employer's assets. And that should not be the preprogative of the government to do.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Answer my post 170, and additionally, have you ever been fired before?
    Last edited by lawboy; 01-25-14 at 04:49 PM.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by lawboy View Post
    Answer my post 70, and additionally, have you ever been fired before?
    Provide a link to your Post 70 and I will accommodate you if I can And yes I have been fired before. I also have been in the position to hire and fire both in my own business and in agencies or for employers I served.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Provide a link to your Post 70 and I will accommodate you if I can And yes I have been fired before. I also have been in the position to hire and fire both in my own business and in agencies or for employers I served.
    I meant post 170;

    In Ohio our Public Policy exception evolved from a man getting fired because the employer had to take child support out of his check and whined about it, so they fired him. How is a man supposed to support his kids when he gets fired for it? The LAW mandated it be done.

    How can a man pay child support if he can get fired for it? You are for a man living up to his responsibilty to pay for his kids, right?
    Also, when you were fired, did you sign up for unemployment?

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by lawboy View Post
    I meant post 170;

    Also, when you were fired, did you sign up for unemployment?
    I don't see how your Post #170 is relevant. It is not the employer's responsibility how somebody supports their kids or what the government requires of the employee. It is the employer's responsibility to keep the deal that he/she negotiated with the employee. I don't know what the circumstances might have been in that case or whether the employee was being disruptive or what, but it doesn't really affect the principle of an employer using his/her resources and assets in his/her interests and the government not having the ability to dictate to anybody how somebody must use his/her lawfully acquired resources.

    And no, when I was fired I didn't file for unemployment. I went and got another job.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I don't see how your Post #170 is relevant.

    That does not surprise me!

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by lawboy View Post
    That does not surprise me!
    I'm sure it doesn't. But neither have you addressed my point that no matter how altruistic or well intentioned it might be, if the government has the ability to force an employer to use the employer's assets and resources as the government sees fit, then the government can force the employer to do anything and the employer has no rights at all other than what the government allows him/her to have at the moment.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by lawboy View Post
    1. It is a sad state of national affairs if en employer can fire an employee for taking off for a funeral of his/her child!

    2. If you get a subpeona to appear in court, you must go by law, then is it okay if you get fired for it?

    Other notable examples exist.
    I'm not saying it's right or a good decision. But I don't think we should be regulating bad business decisions, and firing an employee for those things are bad business decisions. You won't last long as you won't be able to hire decent employees after a while. Plus other employees will be bailing to find other, more hospitable places to work.

    The argument really is getting taken to extremes. Just because you can doesn't mean you will. I can buy five gallons of vodka, but I wouldn't try to drink it all in one night because that would be bad for me. Just because I had the absolute authority to hire and fire without restriction doesn't mean I would abuse it. Your employees are your number one asset in most cases. At least in the business circles I operate in. Treating them terribly is a sure fire way to watch your business stagnate and eventually die.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    im glad the government does its job and protects the rights of me and my fellow americans.

    WIsh this poll was public i bet its been spammed lol I bet its not that close

    anyway discrimination laws protect rights, all of our rights and im glad they exist
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Firing employees, or more specifically, rehiring and retraining new employees is very expensive. I dont think very many employers do it casually, no matter how legal.
    Exactly. It's as if people are assuming that all of sudden, if given free reign, employers would abandon smart business practices and start slashing and burning for no good reason just because they can. Logic in this discussion is flying out the window now.
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