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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    There is someone to protect my job. That would be me. Don't need a club for that either.


    That's fine. I hope that you are never unfairly terminated from a position.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    This question is for someone other then Agent J (no offense to him intended).

    What if you ran a large daycare with more then 15 employees and you hired a daycare worker who would spend time with your clients children? And let's say you found out after you hired her from a source that you could never use in any way that she had molested another child...but you had absolutely no way to prove it. So, you fire her. But she takes you to court for wrongful dismissal because the only reason you dismissed her is because of a rumour that you cannot prove.

    What then?

    Do you pay the penalty - assuming you lose the case?

    Could you also be sued by this person for libel/slander...even though it is true?

    So, because you are not allowed to fire someone for whatever reason you wish, you are forced to endure economic hardship because you do not have proof that this person is a child molester.

    But, if you were allowed to just fire her, you would simply be rid of her with no economic hardship.


    Please tell me how the system works well in this case?

    (Btw - this could also apply to any situation where an employer felt compelled to fire someone on the basis of something they could not prove in court)
    Last edited by DA60; 01-25-14 at 04:12 AM.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Freedom isn't free.
    Doublethink. I love it.

    War is peace. Slavery is freedom. Ignorance is strength.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I was responding to the comment you made about it not being illegal. I was just pointing out that it was illegal at this time. I didn't realize you were referring in the context of the hypothetical law less world apparently inferred by the OP. I didn't take it that all laws were going to be suspended by the OP (as in "it is okay to fire an employee for not killing their children" kind of thing). I was pretty clear about my position when I said this...
    Let me see if I can explain what I was talking about.

    Take the workplace out of it for a second. If I go to a bar and ask a woman to go to bed with me, it's not against the law, correct? Thus, the idea of one person asking another for sex is not illegal. Now, keeping in mind the concept of this thread, if a male boss suggests to his female employee a sexual encounter, and she turns him down, the female has done nothing illegal, but HAS made a moral choice to refuse sex. Is it okay for her to make such a moral choice and be fired for it because the boss is mad, embarrassed, controlling, etc.?

    I think we both agree if an employer told an employee to rob a bank or lose their job, this should not be allowed. In that case, the employee is being asked to do something illegal, and you amended your position to say employees should not be able to be fired for refusing to break the law. But refusing sex (or asking for it) is not against the law, but it IS a moral (and sometimes religious decision). Are you okay with the idea of an employee being terminated for making a moral decision to not engage in sexual activity with their boss?

    I had assumed the OP was more in the vein of removing union protection, total at will employment, and the like.
    The threadstarter said "any reason they wish"...I would assume it isn't limited to union protection, discrimination and the like. Any reason they wish would mean unadulterated power over hiring and firing.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Let me see if I can explain what I was talking about.

    Take the workplace out of it for a second. If I go to a bar and ask a woman to go to bed with me, it's not against the law, correct? Thus, the idea of one person asking another for sex is not illegal. Now, keeping in mind the concept of this thread, if a male boss suggests to his female employee a sexual encounter, and she turns him down, the female has done nothing illegal, but HAS made a moral choice to refuse sex. Is it okay for her to make such a moral choice and be fired for it because the boss is mad, embarrassed, controlling, etc.?

    I think we both agree if an employer told an employee to rob a bank or lose their job, this should not be allowed. In that case, the employee is being asked to do something illegal, and you amended your position to say employees should not be able to be fired for refusing to break the law. But refusing sex (or asking for it) is not against the law, but it IS a moral (and sometimes religious decision). Are you okay with the idea of an employee being terminated for making a moral decision to not engage in sexual activity with their boss?

    The threadstarter said "any reason they wish"...I would assume it isn't limited to union protection, discrimination and the like. Any reason they wish would mean unadulterated power over hiring and firing.
    EEOC is a law. Regardless, I yield to the power being in the hands of the employer. Over regulation is just as bad as no regulation at all. And since this hypothetical scenario is black and white I'll go with the employer every time.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    EEOC is a law. Regardless, I yield to the power being in the hands of the employer. Over regulation is just as bad as no regulation at all. And since this hypothetical scenario is black and white I'll go with the employer every time.
    I see...so you're okay with a woman being fired for refusing sex with her boss? I just want to know if this is really what you mean.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I see...so you're okay with a woman being fired for refusing sex with her boss?
    I thought companies cared about profit?

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    I thought companies cared about profit?
    I'm not sure where you are going with this, but companies are run by people and people care about themselves. They care about their wants and their desires before anything else.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I'm not sure where you are going with this, but companies are run by people and people care about themselves. They care about their wants and their desires before anything else.
    Hmm, but I keep being told companies are there just for the most profit only.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Hmm, but I keep being told companies are there just for the most profit only.
    I feel like you feel you are making a point, but I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make.

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