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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Why?


    Let's say a woman planned to quit her job after she gives birth?

    Under your law, she can now slack of at work, sit on her ass, show up late, take really long lunches, tell her lousy boss to 'f' off and only work when she feels like it.

    Why not? She can't be fired because she is pregnant.

    And she can do this for about 9 months or so.
    You are being childish.

    That would be a womans own choice.

    Do you understand the concept of choice?

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Oh I don't think you can claim nothing illegal happened, that would be up to the jury and the evidence presented. More likely you'd take a plea deal, because going to court is very expensive, and it would undoubtedly be very embarrassing. Who has more to lose, the employee or the business owner? If you have deep pockets, you're quite the juicy target too.

    You make sexual advances on a direct report at work, and then you do it in the office? You better have a good legal team if she (or he) decides it was harassment. Your interpretation of the events are just one side....

    And if you FIRE the person when they reject your sexual advances, I would bet on the prosecution.
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    Considering your absurd ignorance on the subject matter, I find that laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Firing and employee for not having sex with you is in fact against the law.

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    I really don't know how to say this without seeming like a jerk, but are any of you three aware of what this thread is about? The entire thread is about removing the laws which govern hiring and firing, which would include what all three of you are trying to claim. You cannot say you support employers being able to fire anyone for any reason and then claim "except for in cases where the law already prohibits them from doing so". It is kind of contradictory.

    I can only then assume none of you truly support an employer being able to hire and fire for any reason they wish.


    EDIT: I would explain what I meant about illegal actions, but I'm afraid it would confuse things at this point, as it seems to have confused things already. Let's clear this up and I can explain what I mean, if it's desired, later.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    No. If you want to profit from this great Country...then you have to abide by the rules. Freedom isn't free.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    You are being childish.

    That would be a womans own choice.

    Do you understand the concept of choice?
    Yes, I do...which is why I am against the government taking away a private businesses right to choose who it wants to hire and fire.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish[W:126]

    Yes they/we should,

    i'm NOT a liberal!

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Good luck with that as that is his debate style, instead of reading what was posted he will inject his on thoughts which have nothing to do with the actual post.
    I am beginning to see your point.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    As a hiring manager for a fortune 50 company, I voted no. I know way too many people with prejudices that need to be kept in check. I do believe though, that we should be able to hire and fire based on qualifications and performance only. Although, we should be able to use personality as a contributing factor, as this can affect overall moral and performance of the team.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Tetelestai View Post
    As a hiring manager for a fortune 50 company, I voted no. I know way too many people with prejudices that need to be kept in check. I do believe though, that we should be able to hire and fire based on qualifications and performance only. Although, we should be able to use personality as a contributing factor, as this can affect overall moral and performance of the team.
    Your heart is in the right place, but nevertheless, taking away an employer's right to hire and fire whoever he/she wants to hire and fire is a direct assault on his unalienable right to his/her own property. I don't see any way to get around that.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    I guess if it were a very small to medium sized employer, that could stand. But when you are talking large employers, that is irrelevant since the "owner" isn't the one hiring. If there were no laws whatsoever, I think there would be at least one segment of the population that would not be afforded the "opportunity" to succeed, which is a very valuable American principal.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I really don't know how to say this without seeming like a jerk, but are any of you three aware of what this thread is about? The entire thread is about removing the laws which govern hiring and firing, which would include what all three of you are trying to claim. You cannot say you support employers being able to fire anyone for any reason and then claim "except for in cases where the law already prohibits them from doing so". It is kind of contradictory.

    I can only then assume none of you truly support an employer being able to hire and fire for any reason they wish.


    EDIT: I would explain what I meant about illegal actions, but I'm afraid it would confuse things at this point, as it seems to have confused things already. Let's clear this up and I can explain what I mean, if it's desired, later.
    I was responding to the comment you made about it not being illegal. I was just pointing out that it was illegal at this time. I didn't realize you were referring in the context of the hypothetical law less world apparently inferred by the OP. I didn't take it that all laws were going to be suspended by the OP (as in "it is okay to fire an employee for not killing their children" kind of thing). I was pretty clear about my position when I said this...
    You make a good point. I'll amend my position. So long as it is not in violation of the law. However, if it were not against the law and that were the reason then I'd be okay with it. Why? Because it's my company. I'm not saying this would make me a good employer, I'd be a complete asshole for firing someone for that. But still, my company means my risk. There would certainly be consequences. A smart business owner wouldn't get in that position to begin with.
    I had assumed the OP was more in the vein of removing union protection, total at will employment, and the like.
    *insert profound statement here*

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