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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    well you just listed a bunch of reason to fire her that have nothing to do with her being pregnant so problem solved
    Yes, but then the law would not mean anything.

    All the boss has to say is 'she told me to 'f' off, so I fired her' (whether it was true or not) and he gets around the law.

    IMO, making a law that makes it illegal to fire someone strictly because they are pregnant would open up a whole can of worms.

    And as far as I am concerned, there are too many laws as is.


    Besides, all the woman has to do is tell the press that she was fired and that she is a pregnant woman who desperately needs her job. No boss that does not want terrible publicity is going to fire a pregnant woman unless he/she has one heck of a good reason. Just let market forces give this woman job security...not yet another law.


    And finally, I think the government is involved in our lives FAR too much as it is - telling private businesses who they can and cannot fire is, IMO, none of the government's business.


    But, each to their own.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Except for federally recognized anti-discrimination reasons, sure. Am employee can quit for any reason they want, why should the employer not be able to fire them?
    How about firing because the employee refused to do something which violates the law? Or violates moral or religious principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Yes. The employer should retain the right to hire and fire at will, with or without disclosing a reason. If I own a company I own the risk. If I feel like I no longer need a particular person in my employ for whatever reason I should be able to let them go. I should also be able to hire whomever I choose for whatever reason I choose. My company, my risk.
    So if you proposition sex to one of your female employees and she turns you down, you should have the right to fire her?

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    But if you're firing them for cause then why have protected classes at all? That's what I hate about the EEOC rules. It gives someone fired for cause a reason to come back after the employer and that costs money whether it's a legitimate claim or not.

    For example, several years ago I had a client who is a real estate appraiser fire an employee because she was disruptive and abusive. The NLRB ended up getting involved and he had to pay her something like 3 months pay and post some bull**** apology in the office.
    The alternative -- that an employer could fire someone for being gay, black, Muslim, pregnant, etc. -- is much worse. We have to bear this cost.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    The alternative -- that an employer could fire someone for being gay, black, Muslim, pregnant, etc. -- is much worse.
    Why is that?

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    ANY reason? No.


    Being fired does the employee a lot of harm, especially if it is sudden, unexpected, and unjustified. Why are we supposed to give the employer two weeks notice, and he has no obligation to do the same? The employee suffers more from sudden termination than the employer suffers from a sudden I-quit.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Why is that?
    A society in which you're free to hire or fire people based on bigotry and bias is no society at all.

    How is that even a question? You want to allow employers to fire someone for being gay? Or being straight? Or white, or black, or Muslim, or Christian, or anything else?

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    ANY reason? No.


    Being fired does the employee a lot of harm, especially if it is sudden, unexpected, and unjustified. Why are we supposed to give the employer two weeks notice, and he has no obligation to do the same? The employee suffers more from sudden termination than the employer suffers from a sudden I-quit.
    You do not have to give two weeks, it is not a law.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    A society in which you're free to hire or fire people based on bigotry and bias is no society at all.
    Oh, you want to ban certain thought?

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    You do not have to give two weeks, it is not a law.

    It is not a law, but it may affect getting another job when the prospective new employer asks the previous employer if you gave notice.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It is not a law, but it may affect getting another job when the prospective new employer asks the previous employer if you gave notice.
    Yep, the same with an employer that fires for silly reasons such as race or sex.

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