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    Are nationalism/patriotism good or bad?

    The question is whether you feel nationalism and patriotism are good for humanity or if they are bad.


    Here's a working definition for both: Nationalism is a belief, creed or political ideology that involves an individual identifying with, or becoming attached to, one's nation. Nationalism involves national identity, by contrast with the related construct of patriotism, which involves the social conditioning and personal behaviors that support a state's decisions and actions.


    My opinion: neither serves any purpose except to rob us of the individualism that makes us unique human beings.

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    Re: Are nationalism/patriotism good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The question is whether you feel nationalism and patriotism are good for humanity or if they are bad.

    Here's a working definition for both: Nationalism is a belief, creed or political ideology that involves an individual identifying with, or becoming attached to, one's nation. Nationalism involves national identity, by contrast with the related construct of patriotism, which involves the social conditioning and personal behaviors that support a state's decisions and actions.

    My opinion: neither serves any purpose except to rob us of the individualism that makes us unique human beings.
    I would divest the two from each other.

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    Re: Are nationalism/patriotism good or bad?

    Good to both.
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    Re: Are nationalism/patriotism good or bad?

    I think that even though they may help ensure positive ends, it is irrational to adopt either ideology.

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    Re: Are nationalism/patriotism good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I would divest the two from each other.
    You think one is good and the other bad? They kind of go hand-in-hand in my opinion but go ahead and expound if you wish.

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    Re: Are nationalism/patriotism good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The question is whether you feel nationalism and patriotism are good for humanity or if they are bad.


    Here's a working definition for both: Nationalism is a belief, creed or political ideology that involves an individual identifying with, or becoming attached to, one's nation. Nationalism involves national identity, by contrast with the related construct of patriotism, which involves the social conditioning and personal behaviors that support a state's decisions and actions.


    My opinion: neither serves any purpose except to rob us of the individualism that makes us unique human beings.
    Like everything in life, it depends on the application. If one supports the country with too high a level of moral certainty, than one may not question the morality of individual decisions. That can be dangerous.

    Alternatively, one can care too little and be too critical as well, without realizing that no nation is anywhere close to perfect.

    The best balance I have found is simple honesty. America is a great country, but it can do a lot of things better. Our medical system has been in shambles for decades with prices too high and outcomes too low. Our education system needs serious work. Our Ginii numbers are way off. Stuff like that. On the other hand, we have a ton of natural and cultural resources that are the envy of other nations. Our military is da bomb.

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    Re: Are nationalism/patriotism good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Like everything in life, it depends on the application. If one supports the country with too high a level of moral certainty, than one may not question the morality of individual decisions. That can be dangerous.

    Alternatively, one can care too little and be too critical as well, without realizing that no nation is anywhere close to perfect.

    The best balance I have found is simple honesty. America is a great country, but it can do a lot of things better. Our medical system has been in shambles for decades with prices too high and outcomes too low. Our education system needs serious work. Our Ginii numbers are way off. Stuff like that. On the other hand, we have a ton of natural and cultural resources that are the envy of other nations. Our military is da bomb.
    Why is our military "da bomb?" I guess attacking other countries in offensive wars makes us the bomb?

    I personally think nationalism and patriotism are for fools. Any soldier who puts his life on the line and doesn't even get paid well for it is a sucker, in my opinion. You ever see these politicians sending their own kids out to the front lines? Not gonna happen.

    Politicians are greedy and self-serving. They don't care about you so you don't owe them a thing. But maybe I'm just cynical.

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    Re: Are nationalism/patriotism good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Good to both.
    Yeah why is that? I disagree, but I have yet to hear a good argument FOR nationalism so I'd be interested to hear what you have to say.

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    Re: Are nationalism/patriotism good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why is our military "da bomb?" I guess attacking other countries in offensive wars makes us the bomb?
    In terms of power and flexibility, none other comes close.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I personally think nationalism and patriotism are for fools. Any soldier who puts his life on the line and doesn't even get paid well for it is a sucker, in my opinion. You ever see these politicians sending their own kids out to the front lines? Not gonna happen.
    This view surprises me, given your self labelled lean. I can perfectly well understand the motivations of a soldier and while you may characterize them as fools, most of them would do what they do for you (and for them too) anyway, I am sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Politicians are greedy and self-serving. They don't care about you so you don't owe them a thing. But maybe I'm just cynical.
    I agree with this with very few exceptions, such as Ron Paul or Elizabeth Warren.

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    Re: Are nationalism/patriotism good or bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The question is whether you feel nationalism and patriotism are good for humanity or if they are bad.


    Here's a working definition for both: Nationalism is a belief, creed or political ideology that involves an individual identifying with, or becoming attached to, one's nation. Nationalism involves national identity, by contrast with the related construct of patriotism, which involves the social conditioning and personal behaviors that support a state's decisions and actions.


    My opinion: neither serves any purpose except to rob us of the individualism that makes us unique human beings.
    They are two different things, and not universally bad but they can be in certain aggregate amounts.
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