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Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presidency?

Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presidency?


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Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

What do you think?

Absolutely it will hurt her. Suggesting otherwise isn't just laughable, but it's the height of ignorance regarding political campaigning.

First basic thing we have to establish...is it something that HELPS Hillary? IE, if Benghazi is broached or talked about is it in any way something that reflects POSTIIVELY on Hillary? I think ANYONE, even the most rabid of liberals, would be hard pressed to say it reflects POSTIVELY on her.

So at best it's something that reflects on her in a neutral fashion, at worst something that reflects poorly on her to SOME degree. Even if it's to a small degree and easy to be explained away, it's still there to some degree.

Which takes us to the next notion...Messaging. During a campaign you want to be on the offensive, not the defensive. In a campaign you want to try and control the messaging as much as possible.

Case in point, was Mitt Romney traveling with his dog on the hood of his car something that hurt him or helped him? It hurt him. Was it a big deal? No, not it wasn't. Was it something we should really be giving two ****s about in the midst of a presidential race? No, not it wasn't. But the fact that for a few days Romney's camp had to spend valuable time that they could've been using to push his agenda, push his attacks against the President, and highlight his own credentials was instead spent defending against the notion the family dog road on the roof of the car.

If Benghazi isn't a POSITIVE thing for Hillary, then it becomes something that hurts her because it becomes something that she has to answer for. Even if the answers are good, even if the public BUYS the answer, the very fact she's going to have to take the time to talk about it and spend time answering things about it hurts her chances to a certain degree.

And that's with caveats that she'd be able to explain it in a way that most people end up not caring about it. The reality is that come election season, when you have a FAR greater participation rate in the political discussions of this country, and when people focus FAR greater on the two individual candidates than ancillary characters or random stories during down years, it's quite possible that this at least has a MINOR negative drag on it with the public. At the very least I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest there's a better chance of the public being negative towards her about it than POSTIVE. In reality, most people will probably either be negative towards her on it or neutral...but I think you'll have few people going "Woo! Go Hillary, Benghazi was great for you!".

So yes...the simple fact that it will be a topic, that it will have to be talked about, that it'll come up in debates, that it'll be put in ads, that it will take counter measuring to deal with, means it does hurt her chances for the Presidency.

The question isn't whether or not it will. The question is "How MUCH will it hurt Hillary's chances for the Presidency?"

That's the much better question, and the MUCH harder one to answer. We really don't know. Benghazi got hot for a short bit, but largely is a backburner thing at the moment that hasn't really captured the american publics mind. It'll be over a year out from the actual incident by the time the election season even begins, let alone come election day. How it's messaged could have an impact, but there's a very legitimate reason to think that it won't SIGNIFICANTLY hurt her chances for the Presidency, and that it's damage will be more in putting her on the defensive then it will be the content of the actual attacks.

It's hard to say what level of impact it will have....but it's laughable for anyone to suggest that it won't ultimately hurt her chances. For those that think that, answer a very simple question:

If you could have a Hillary Clinton Candidacy where Benghazi occured after she was long removed from SOS or one where Benghazi happened while she was SOS, which would you choose?
 
Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

A die hard truther I see. Carry on. The fact is there is no evidence of a cover up.

So it was all the result of a hateful youtube video, huh?
 
Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

Absolutely it will hurt her. Suggesting otherwise isn't just laughable, but it's the height of ignorance regarding political campaigning.

First basic thing we have to establish...is it something that HELPS Hillary? IE, if Benghazi is broached or talked about is it in any way something that reflects POSTIIVELY on Hillary? I think ANYONE, even the most rabid of liberals, would be hard pressed to say it reflects POSTIVELY on her.

So at best it's something that reflects on her in a neutral fashion, at worst something that reflects poorly on her to SOME degree. Even if it's to a small degree and easy to be explained away, it's still there to some degree.

Which takes us to the next notion...Messaging. During a campaign you want to be on the offensive, not the defensive. In a campaign you want to try and control the messaging as much as possible.

Case in point, was Mitt Romney traveling with his dog on the hood of his car something that hurt him or helped him? It hurt him. Was it a big deal? No, not it wasn't. Was it something we should really be giving two ****s about in the midst of a presidential race? No, not it wasn't. But the fact that for a few days Romney's camp had to spend valuable time that they could've been using to push his agenda, push his attacks against the President, and highlight his own credentials was instead spent defending against the notion the family dog road on the roof of the car.

If Benghazi isn't a POSITIVE thing for Hillary, then it becomes something that hurts her because it becomes something that she has to answer for. Even if the answers are good, even if the public BUYS the answer, the very fact she's going to have to take the time to talk about it and spend time answering things about it hurts her chances to a certain degree.

And that's with caveats that she'd be able to explain it in a way that most people end up not caring about it. The reality is that come election season, when you have a FAR greater participation rate in the political discussions of this country, and when people focus FAR greater on the two individual candidates than ancillary characters or random stories during down years, it's quite possible that this at least has a MINOR negative drag on it with the public. At the very least I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest there's a better chance of the public being negative towards her about it than POSTIVE. In reality, most people will probably either be negative towards her on it or neutral...but I think you'll have few people going "Woo! Go Hillary, Benghazi was great for you!".

So yes...the simple fact that it will be a topic, that it will have to be talked about, that it'll come up in debates, that it'll be put in ads, that it will take counter measuring to deal with, means it does hurt her chances for the Presidency.

The question isn't whether or not it will. The question is "How MUCH will it hurt Hillary's chances for the Presidency?"

That's the much better question, and the MUCH harder one to answer. We really don't know. Benghazi got hot for a short bit, but largely is a backburner thing at the moment that hasn't really captured the american publics mind. It'll be over a year out from the actual incident by the time the election season even begins, let alone come election day. How it's messaged could have an impact, but there's a very legitimate reason to think that it won't SIGNIFICANTLY hurt her chances for the Presidency, and that it's damage will be more in putting her on the defensive then it will be the content of the actual attacks.

It's hard to say what level of impact it will have....but it's laughable for anyone to suggest that it won't ultimately hurt her chances. For those that think that, answer a very simple question:

If you could have a Hillary Clinton Candidacy where Benghazi occured after she was long removed from SOS or one where Benghazi happened while she was SOS, which would you choose?
Her problem is not just the negative of Benghazi but her lack of positives to counter Benghazi. She has little to offer in the way of accomplishments. Where can she go?
 
Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

So it was all the result of a hateful youtube video, huh?

You still think that's a coverup? :shock:
 
Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

...said no one ever.

that other guy did, he said no one cares
 
Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

What do you think?

I do think it will hurt her chances but I dont know how much. As far as your poll, since you didnt make the answers just yes or no, none of the answers I agree with.
 
Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

Was it the truth?

Better question.... Was it accurate? No it was not. People in the administration called it an attack from day 1.
 
Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

No. You attempted to say it for him.

no he said no one cares, retreat is not an option
 
Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

Well, let's start with the morality of it.

Let me note first Hillary like the vast majority of our leadership doesn't really deserve power because they are products of an inferior political culture that should be done away with so we can start from scratch -- no salavaging the D.C. train wreck that currently exists. Unfortunately, by the same logic, Americans don't really deserve a democracy because we created and sustained that culture by electing them.

However, in politically realist terms, Benghazi is mostly a media invention woven out of the right-wing spin machine in a desperate ploy to sabotage Obama's 2012 campaign. Thousands of American soldiers died in Iraq, and its pretty much inevitable some of those deaths tie back to Bush Administration officials (chosen and administered by the President and his inner circle) and make for some pretty ridiculous stories. For example, any of the multiple embassy attacks in the Middle East that occurred during that Administration. That's because in war people die for the most ridiculous, most bureaucratic of reasons, simply due to the intrinsic limitations of the best plans and organizations. And worst of all, those bureaucratic reasons are necessary and proper to the long term stability of the government and military as a whole. Which is why they exist to begin with, instead of not exisitng.

Hillary doesn't deserve power, but it isn't because of Benghazi.
 
Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

that other guy did, he said no one cares

You attempted to change what he said. He didn't say no one cares about any American, you said that.
 
Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

You attempted to change what he said. He didn't say no one cares about any American, you said that.

what is the difference between those four and any? Were they special victims?
 
Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

what is the difference between those four and any? Were they special victims?

I'm glad you can admit you changed what he said. My work here is done. I'll let you try to claim victory now.
 
Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

Better question.... Was it accurate? No it was not. People in the administration called it an attack from day 1.

No, they did not. They said it was the consequence of a Youtube video. We know this was a lie.
 
Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

No, they did not. They said it was the consequence of a Youtube video. We know this was a lie.

The evidence shows they did.
 
Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

It seems you didn't even read your own link.

In tonight's presidential debate President Obama maintains that he called the attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi a "act of terror", which turns out to be accurate.
 
Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

No, because no matter what Hillary would have never won the "Benghazi terror conspiracy people" vote anyway so it will not hurt her that these people will keep going nuts about this issue.

As long as the republicans keep choosing a hopeless cause as their next presidential nominee, Hillary will win the election real easy.
 
Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

In tonight's presidential debate President Obama maintains that he called the attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi a "act of terror", which turns out to be accurate.

Barrack Obama is a liar. instead of beieving his claims check the dates of what he said and the excuses he used..
 
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