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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    There are many reasons I would never support or vote for Hillary. This is but one reason and it is an old an shallow reason. Few people care about this now save for Teabaggers. Let the Teabaggers keep and savor Benghazi as their reason for not supporting Hillary. Teabaggers need graphic reasons for all their position. It helps if their positions on any issue can be expressed in pictures with few words. Bloody pictures seem to satisfy them. In the case of Benghazi the number 4 is easy to remember and "it was her fault" serves well as a simple concept.

    I am doubtful Hillary will be nominated by her party at any rate. America is sick to hell and back of career politicians, bold opportunists and lying, self serving bastards. I expect surprising changes leading up to 2016; not enough, but surprising nonetheless.
    I too do not think Hillary will be nominated in 2016, it will be a fresh face. For those who say they will not vote for Hillary because of Benghazi, they are the ones who wouldn't ever consider voting for her. Unless there is a smoking gun which emerges plastering Benghazi all over the news again ala bridgegate. This will be a non-issue for those who have decided already to vote for Hillary and for those who haven't made up their minds yet.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Brilliant! But of course the low infos won't watch it because facts are not their friends.
    I doubt several would even consider it as valid because it involves Fox News. But the report alone proves Clinton acted the very least in negligence. Not a characteristic one looks for in a president. It also shows to the level of lying the entire administration was willing to engage in from the president down in the name of partisan politics so to avoid taking personal responsibility.

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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The questions and the poll are a fraud and a joke - a bad one.
    Fully agree, Haymarket.
    Why are conservatives doing this, trying to "skew" voting results ? .
    I refused to vote...due to excessive dishonesty...
    But, I admit that this so-called scandal will hurt Mrs Clinton..

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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Reagan did not lie about it or cover it up.
    You mean Ronald "My heart wants to believe that I didn't lie to the American people, but the facts say otherwise" Reagan? You have a short memory NP.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There has been no evidence for you, but of course that is just you. But for anyone who prefers facts to blind ideology then the evidence is quite clear.
    A die hard truther I see. Carry on. The fact is there is no evidence of a cover up.

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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    What do you think?
    Absolutely it will hurt her. Suggesting otherwise isn't just laughable, but it's the height of ignorance regarding political campaigning.

    First basic thing we have to establish...is it something that HELPS Hillary? IE, if Benghazi is broached or talked about is it in any way something that reflects POSTIIVELY on Hillary? I think ANYONE, even the most rabid of liberals, would be hard pressed to say it reflects POSTIVELY on her.

    So at best it's something that reflects on her in a neutral fashion, at worst something that reflects poorly on her to SOME degree. Even if it's to a small degree and easy to be explained away, it's still there to some degree.

    Which takes us to the next notion...Messaging. During a campaign you want to be on the offensive, not the defensive. In a campaign you want to try and control the messaging as much as possible.

    Case in point, was Mitt Romney traveling with his dog on the hood of his car something that hurt him or helped him? It hurt him. Was it a big deal? No, not it wasn't. Was it something we should really be giving two ****s about in the midst of a presidential race? No, not it wasn't. But the fact that for a few days Romney's camp had to spend valuable time that they could've been using to push his agenda, push his attacks against the President, and highlight his own credentials was instead spent defending against the notion the family dog road on the roof of the car.

    If Benghazi isn't a POSITIVE thing for Hillary, then it becomes something that hurts her because it becomes something that she has to answer for. Even if the answers are good, even if the public BUYS the answer, the very fact she's going to have to take the time to talk about it and spend time answering things about it hurts her chances to a certain degree.

    And that's with caveats that she'd be able to explain it in a way that most people end up not caring about it. The reality is that come election season, when you have a FAR greater participation rate in the political discussions of this country, and when people focus FAR greater on the two individual candidates than ancillary characters or random stories during down years, it's quite possible that this at least has a MINOR negative drag on it with the public. At the very least I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest there's a better chance of the public being negative towards her about it than POSTIVE. In reality, most people will probably either be negative towards her on it or neutral...but I think you'll have few people going "Woo! Go Hillary, Benghazi was great for you!".

    So yes...the simple fact that it will be a topic, that it will have to be talked about, that it'll come up in debates, that it'll be put in ads, that it will take counter measuring to deal with, means it does hurt her chances for the Presidency.

    The question isn't whether or not it will. The question is "How MUCH will it hurt Hillary's chances for the Presidency?"

    That's the much better question, and the MUCH harder one to answer. We really don't know. Benghazi got hot for a short bit, but largely is a backburner thing at the moment that hasn't really captured the american publics mind. It'll be over a year out from the actual incident by the time the election season even begins, let alone come election day. How it's messaged could have an impact, but there's a very legitimate reason to think that it won't SIGNIFICANTLY hurt her chances for the Presidency, and that it's damage will be more in putting her on the defensive then it will be the content of the actual attacks.

    It's hard to say what level of impact it will have....but it's laughable for anyone to suggest that it won't ultimately hurt her chances. For those that think that, answer a very simple question:

    If you could have a Hillary Clinton Candidacy where Benghazi occured after she was long removed from SOS or one where Benghazi happened while she was SOS, which would you choose?

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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E Buster View Post
    A die hard truther I see. Carry on. The fact is there is no evidence of a cover up.
    So it was all the result of a hateful youtube video, huh?

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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Absolutely it will hurt her. Suggesting otherwise isn't just laughable, but it's the height of ignorance regarding political campaigning.

    First basic thing we have to establish...is it something that HELPS Hillary? IE, if Benghazi is broached or talked about is it in any way something that reflects POSTIIVELY on Hillary? I think ANYONE, even the most rabid of liberals, would be hard pressed to say it reflects POSTIVELY on her.

    So at best it's something that reflects on her in a neutral fashion, at worst something that reflects poorly on her to SOME degree. Even if it's to a small degree and easy to be explained away, it's still there to some degree.

    Which takes us to the next notion...Messaging. During a campaign you want to be on the offensive, not the defensive. In a campaign you want to try and control the messaging as much as possible.

    Case in point, was Mitt Romney traveling with his dog on the hood of his car something that hurt him or helped him? It hurt him. Was it a big deal? No, not it wasn't. Was it something we should really be giving two ****s about in the midst of a presidential race? No, not it wasn't. But the fact that for a few days Romney's camp had to spend valuable time that they could've been using to push his agenda, push his attacks against the President, and highlight his own credentials was instead spent defending against the notion the family dog road on the roof of the car.

    If Benghazi isn't a POSITIVE thing for Hillary, then it becomes something that hurts her because it becomes something that she has to answer for. Even if the answers are good, even if the public BUYS the answer, the very fact she's going to have to take the time to talk about it and spend time answering things about it hurts her chances to a certain degree.

    And that's with caveats that she'd be able to explain it in a way that most people end up not caring about it. The reality is that come election season, when you have a FAR greater participation rate in the political discussions of this country, and when people focus FAR greater on the two individual candidates than ancillary characters or random stories during down years, it's quite possible that this at least has a MINOR negative drag on it with the public. At the very least I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest there's a better chance of the public being negative towards her about it than POSTIVE. In reality, most people will probably either be negative towards her on it or neutral...but I think you'll have few people going "Woo! Go Hillary, Benghazi was great for you!".

    So yes...the simple fact that it will be a topic, that it will have to be talked about, that it'll come up in debates, that it'll be put in ads, that it will take counter measuring to deal with, means it does hurt her chances for the Presidency.

    The question isn't whether or not it will. The question is "How MUCH will it hurt Hillary's chances for the Presidency?"

    That's the much better question, and the MUCH harder one to answer. We really don't know. Benghazi got hot for a short bit, but largely is a backburner thing at the moment that hasn't really captured the american publics mind. It'll be over a year out from the actual incident by the time the election season even begins, let alone come election day. How it's messaged could have an impact, but there's a very legitimate reason to think that it won't SIGNIFICANTLY hurt her chances for the Presidency, and that it's damage will be more in putting her on the defensive then it will be the content of the actual attacks.

    It's hard to say what level of impact it will have....but it's laughable for anyone to suggest that it won't ultimately hurt her chances. For those that think that, answer a very simple question:

    If you could have a Hillary Clinton Candidacy where Benghazi occured after she was long removed from SOS or one where Benghazi happened while she was SOS, which would you choose?
    Her problem is not just the negative of Benghazi but her lack of positives to counter Benghazi. She has little to offer in the way of accomplishments. Where can she go?

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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So it was all the result of a hateful youtube video, huh?
    You still think that's a coverup?

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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi terror attacks hurt Hillary's chances for the Presiden

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E Buster View Post
    ...said no one ever.
    that other guy did, he said no one cares

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