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  • I can't support any of the propose resolution as written.

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Thread: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

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    PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    A proposed resolution to fix what ails us:

    WHEREAS the United States was conceived as a government of the people, by the people, and for the people; and

    WHEREAS self-serving politicians and bureaucrats have appropriated the people's government and resources to manipulate, control, and bribe the people while they increase their own power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth; and

    WHEREAS unlimited power and resources is a liberty destroying and corrupting force for those in government and also for many beneficiaries of government benevolence, policy, and practice; and

    WHEREAS the system has become too broken to remedy through the electoral process, term limits, or piecemeal policy reforms,

    RESOLVED:

    That the broken U.S. government be repaired by returning it to its Constitutional roots with an iron clad law or preferably a Constitutional Amendment containing the following:

    1. The U.S. President, Congress, or any other person in the federal government is prohibited from using the public treasury to benefit any person, group, entity, or demographic that does not benefit all regardless of political affiliations or socioeconomic standing.

    2. As quickly as it can be done without breaking faith with those made dependent on the programs, all existing federal entitlement programs will be transferred to the states who will administer them or disband them as the people of those states see fit.

    3. The federal government will not obligate future Congresses with any new entitlement program.

    4. The U.S. President and Congress will pass no law, policy, or requirement that should not apply equally to the President, Congress, members of the Court, all cabinet and staff members, and every other person in government.

    5. The U.S. President and Congress and every other person in the federal government will fund their own healthcare and any retirement account from their wages or other personal resources and the government will not continue to fund these when a person leaves office or government employment.

    6. The U.S. government will replace its current baseline budgeting system with a zero based budgeting system and all funded programs will be subject to routine independent audit to verify that all government funds are expended competently and appropriately.

    7. Except in extreme national emergency, all federal government contracts will be let as equitably as possible among the various states, all government installations will be distributed as equitably as possible among the various states, and all government contracts will be put out for bid and will go to the qualified bidder offering the lowest bid. Bidders will not be required to be union shops or conform to union wages.

    8. The courts will be restricted to interpreting existing law and will be prohibited from adding to or writing or ordering any law that has not been properly passed by an appropriate legislative body.

    CONCLUSION: By this means we will remove means for corruption from the government process, will eliminate the profit to professional politicians and bureaucrats so that public servants interested in providing good government will again seek those offices, will restore the liberty to government ourselves, will remove incentive for excessive campaign contributions as those contributions would no longer buy anybody benefits or special favors, and the people will again govern themselves within the various states as the Founders intended they do.
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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    A proposed resolution to fix what ails us:

    WHEREAS the United States was conceived as a government of the people, by the people, and for the people; and
    Nostalgia is fun. Brainwashing is fun.

    The United States was conceived as "a government of the people, by the people and for the people"...as long as the people were white, land-owning Christian men. Everyone else...not so much.

    For all the fear mongering and remembrances of things which never were in this country, we are so much better than before.

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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Nostalgia is fun. Brainwashing is fun.

    The United States was conceived as "a government of the people, by the people and for the people"...as long as the people were white, land-owning Christian men. Everyone else...not so much.

    For all the fear mongering and remembrances of things which never were in this country, we are so much better than before.
    I don't believe I referred to history other than the intent of the original Constitution and I am pretty sure I didn't engage in any fear mongering. My intent with the OP was to provide a proposed resolution for the purpose of discussion of how best to repair a federal government in serious need of repair here and now.

    So what do you think about that?
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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I don't believe I referred to history other than the intent of the original Constitution
    And you interpreted incorrectly and used it as a platform to complain about other things. When your platform is built on something which is not true, there's really no point in continuing.

    and I am pretty sure I didn't engage in any fear mongering.
    I wasn't talking about just you, although your insinuation that what we have now is broken and the way to fix it is by returning to the days where racism and sexism was encouraged could theoretically count as fear mongering.

    My intent with the OP was to provide a proposed resolution for the purpose of discussion of how best to repair a federal government in serious need of repair here and now.

    So what do you think about that?
    I think I've made it clear what I think.

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    For all the fear mongering and remembrances of things which never were in this country, we are so much better than before.
    Are there things which still need tweaking? Absolutely. But to insinuate what we have now is worse than *insert time period here* is simply false. All things considered, what we have today is no worse, and in many ways much better, than what we've ever had. The biggest difference between now and then is the amount of media exposure.

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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    And you interpreted incorrectly and used it as a platform to complain about other things. When your platform is built on something which is not true, there's really no point in continuing.

    I wasn't talking about just you, although your insinuation that what we have now is broken and the way to fix it is by returning to the days where racism and sexism was encouraged could theoretically count as fear mongering.

    I think I've made it clear what I think.



    Are there things which still need tweaking? Absolutely. But to insinuate what we have now is worse than *insert time period here* is simply false. All things considered, what we have today is no worse, and in many ways much better, than what we've ever had. The biggest difference between now and then is the amount of media exposure.
    Okay, I can accept that you think the government that we have is pretty much fine and that you don't agree with any point made in the resolution. But you weaken your argument when you intepret any part of the OP as encouraging a return to racism or sexism which, by the way, still exist and are quie alive and well, but suited for a different thread.
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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    I feel your spirit in what you're proposing but... its a gigantic argument and you're only focusing on one side of the coin. What you're asking for is to dissolve the government of almost all power which would be handed off to powerful corporations as they're the only ones with any control and it would be game over. It would be like the game monopoly where at the end somebody is so powerful that no matter what they cannot be challenged. Except here is where the game would begin for "the people".

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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I feel your spirit in what you're proposing but... its a gigantic argument and you're only focusing on one side of the coin. What you're asking for is to dissolve the government of almost all power which would be handed off to powerful corporations as they're the only ones with any control and it would be game over. It would be like the game monopoly where at the end somebody is so powerful that no matter what they cannot be challenged. Except here is where the game would begin for "the people".
    How so? Those powerful corporations would find no advantage to use government for its own purposes anymore. Any concessions or policies or contracts the federal government granted to General Electric would have to also be extended to the Mom & Pop store on Mainstreet America. Corporations would no longer be able to buy favors from anybody in the federal government.
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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    How so? Those powerful corporations would find no advantage to use government for its own purposes anymore. Any concessions or policies or contracts the federal government granted to General Electric would have to also be extended to the Mom & Pop store on Mainstreet America. Corporations would no longer be able to buy favors from anybody in the federal government.
    They would just buy favors at the state level
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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Okay, I can accept that you think the government that we have is pretty much fine
    I didn't say that. I said it's just as good, if not better, than ever before.
    But you weaken your argument when you intepret any part of the OP as encouraging a return to racism or sexism
    I didn't interpret it, you explicitly said it:

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    That the broken U.S. government be repaired by returning it to its Constitutional roots

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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    They would just buy favors at the state level
    But that should be the problem of the people in the various states. At least a big corporation based in New York wouldn't be able to coerce money from the people of New Mexico or Florida or Alaska who will never benefit from it.
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