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  • I can support most of the proposed resolution as written.

    6 21.43%
  • I can't support much of the proposed resolution as written.

    10 35.71%
  • I can't support any of the propose resolution as written.

    4 14.29%
  • This is the worst idea any nutter has come up with yet.

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  • Other and I will explain in my post

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Thread: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Well you're entitled to your interpretation of my intent. I'm entitled to my interpretation of my intent. And if you want to argue that component of it, that has no place in the OP, I suggest you start a thread on it and invite me over.
    Let it be understood that sexism nor slavery was ever endorsed, enforced, or otherwise supported by the Constitution. There would be no consequences towards those ends by returning to it's original form.

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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Sure. As long as it relates to their intent as reflected in the OP. They intended a lot of stuff and there was a lot more in the Founding documents than is addressed in the very narrowly focused OP.
    and they REALLY INTENDED white male property owners to run the country.... they did not like the popular vote.

    But as Verax said
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    If we could fix our problems of corruption it probably wouldn't matter which way we went anyway as we would make it work in either direction. Its a massive argument and I'm not really ready to undertake it so I'll be on my way.

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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But that should be the problem of the people in the various states. At least a big corporation based in New York wouldn't be able to coerce money from the people of New Mexico or Florida or Alaska who will never benefit from it.
    : How long do you think it will take, though, when the legislators in DC can't even agree on whether a law is really a law that applies to everyone but them? :

    Greetings, AlbqOwl.

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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Well this is why I said I'm with you in spirit, it just isn't really practical. If we could fix our problems of corruption it probably wouldn't matter which way we went anyway as we would make it work in either direction. Its a massive argument and I'm not really ready to undertake it so I'll be on my way.
    It really boils down to a pretty simple concept: if we remove the ability of politicians and bureaucrats to increase their own power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth at our expense, most of the rest of it pretty well falls into a proper place. But I can appreciate not having the time or interest to deal with a subject like this. Have a good one.
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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Let it be understood that sexism nor slavery was ever endorsed, enforced, or otherwise supported by the Constitution.
    Seriously? then how do YOU define the right to vote being limited to white, property owning men? and slaves being counted as 3/5s of whites for representation allocation?

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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Seriously? then how do YOU define the right to vote being limited to white, property owning men? and slaves being counted as 3/5s of whites for representation allocation?
    You will note, as I am sure you are able, that no such reference to such things is in the Constitution.

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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : How long do you think it will take, though, when the legislators in DC can't even agree on whether a law is really a law that applies to everyone but them? :

    Greetings, AlbqOwl.
    Nobody knows how big a hurdle or how difficult it will be to fix what ails us more than I do. But if we don't have a place to start from, a principle to guide us, a concept that will get us where we want to be, there is no hope we will even begin. So my hope is to change hearts and minds to look at what needs to happen. If enough of us agree on that, then there is at least a support base for the right kind of change.
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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Let it be understood that sexism nor slavery was ever endorsed, enforced, or otherwise supported by the Constitution. There would be no consequences towards those ends by returning to it's original form.
    And even if that was in the original Constitution, those issues have been dealt with and resolved in the centuries since then and the OP does not address or deal with those issues in any way other than how the existing government perpetuates them. The OP deals with a proposed fix for what ails our goverment now and a way to restore the Founders concept that no monarch, dictator, pope, despot, or other authoritarian government would have any power to dictate to the people how they must organize their societies and live their lives. Nor would it have any power to enrich itself at our expense.
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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    If you want to get corruption out of federal politics, well most of it, you will never get it all out, the best way to do so would be to get rid of corporate personhood, put some strong restrictions on lobbying, and reform campaign financing. If you remove the ability of corporations, interest groups and unions to buy politicians, then you will take a lot of the corruption out of Washington.
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    Re: PROPOSAL to Fix a Broken United States Government

    The whole OP is basically a right wing wet dream. It is just a big partisan argument disguised as an anti-corruption platform. Most people in this country are pretty moderate, yet we have a primary system that encourages the most extreme politicians to be elected to congress. If we simply elected more moderates, pragmatic people that were not extreme in their views, we would have a far more effective and less corrupt government that still represented the views of the majority of Americans.
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