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Which major religion has more insight into human nature?

Which major religion has the most insight into human nature?


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In terms of sociology I tend to disagree.

Fair enough...but I was talking in terms of use to humanity.

Many millions have died and many, MANY millions more have been persecuted, abused, oppressed in various ways strictly because of their religious 'beliefs'; and yet there is zero factual proof that anyone was ever 'saved' at death.

What a pathetic human invention religion was...especially the major ones.
 
Fair enough...but I was talking in terms of use to humanity.

Many millions have died and many, MANY millions more have been persecuted, abused, oppressed in various ways strictly because of their religious 'beliefs'; and yet there is zero factual proof that anyone was ever 'saved' at death.

What a pathetic human invention religion was...especially the major ones.

I'm sensing a lot of anger here....
 
Fair enough...but I was talking in terms of use to humanity.

Many millions have died and many, MANY millions more have been persecuted, abused, oppressed in various ways strictly because of their religious 'beliefs'; and yet there is zero factual proof that anyone was ever 'saved' at death.

What a pathetic human invention religion was...especially the major ones.

Actually, I am not so sure about that. My suspicion is that there was and possibly is an inherent advantage to having a religion for the group that has one. The fact that as good as every society in the whole history of mankind had a religion lends credibility to the hypothesis and could be seen to shift the responsibility of proof squarely to the shoulders of the sceptics.
 
Well, I can wrap my head around it, probably a little better than the average human, but it's a bit more complicated than just asking forgiveness.

Yes, it is.... but much less complicated than most people would think for having lived such a wretched life. Of course, running with the hypothetical of a repentant Adolf Hitler who professes his need for a Savior; he could be welcomed into the Kingdom ahead of the "good person" who did no one harm, gave away all his money to the poor and never failed to escort little old ladies across the street.... just to make that head wrapping a bit tougher (not you, I know you get it... the generic 'YOU")
 
Also, Judaism doesn't even get an honorable mention?

Judaism as a world religion is pretty minor in terms of the number of adherents. It would rank well below various animist religions, African Tribal Religions, and Sikhism.
 
I'm sensing a lot of anger here....

Then you sense wrong.

You are sensing sadness and that so many have (and continue to) suffer over something so silly as 'leap of faith' God clubs.
 
Fair enough...but I was talking in terms of use to humanity.

Many millions have died and many, MANY millions more have been persecuted, abused, oppressed in various ways strictly because of their religious 'beliefs'; and yet there is zero factual proof that anyone was ever 'saved' at death.

What a pathetic human invention religion was...especially the major ones.

Traditional Chinese Folk Religion, Buddhism, and I think even Hinduism don't even deal with "salvation" or an afterlife. I don't think Buddhism even deals with the concept of a soul.
 
This isn't meant to be an existence of God debate at all. I started the thread / poll and I am Agnostic. However, I recognize that if you strip away the supernatural notions from a religion, and the concept of a divine, at their core they are a philosophy about the nature of man.
 
I'd have to go with either Buddhism or Tao, but I think it's because they are more accepting of human error than the Abrahamic religions tend to be.

That's interesting. I choose Christianity for the same reason - that it starts from the presupposition that all humans are broken, wounded, flawed. Christ teaches that human error needs only repentance to be overcome; Buddha that thousands of lifetimes of pain and toil must instead be demanded.

Buddhism I would say is less accurate because of that starting point - that life is suffering. Life is lots of things, suffering is only part of it.



As an interesting aside - when Jesuits first reached Japan, they became so frustrated in their efforts to convince the locals that Christianity wasn't just another branch of Budddhism, that they had the Pope declare it to be an invention of the devil to confuse mankind. :p
 
Probably the ones that consider mankind inherently sinful, flawed, and dangerous.
 
Traditional Chinese Folk Religion, Buddhism, and I think even Hinduism don't even deal with "salvation" or an afterlife. I don't think Buddhism even deals with the concept of a soul.

They call it the "Atman", it is the "self" that must undergo centuries (millenia, perhaps) of slow, grinding perfection until it can reach nirvana by becoming utterly subsumed within the universal conscious. Individuals who reach enlightenment (and are thus capable of making the leap), but who choose to remain on Earth in order to help others are called "bodhisattva", much like our own poster here :).
 
Actually, I am not so sure about that. My suspicion is that there was and possibly is an inherent advantage to having a religion for the group that has one. The fact that as good as every society in the whole history of mankind had a religion lends credibility to the hypothesis and could be seen to shift the responsibility of proof squarely to the shoulders of the sceptics.

Uhh...okay.

So because every society 'had one' that must mean it was good?

So the tens of millions that suffered/suffer are just 'aberrations' or 'unfortunate side effects' of the greater good of having 'God clubs'? And yet, outside of stoping weak-minded people from jumping out of windows, it offers zero good in of itself. They might as well have sat around believing in flatulence or grass or wind.

Have your theories...whatever.

I don't waste my time debating religion...it's like trying to convince people the world is round. It should be obvious but sometimes people just refuse to see the obvious.


Good day.
 
Probably the ones that consider mankind inherently sinful, flawed, and dangerous.

If there is one Christian Doctrine which I have always felt stands most assuredly on its' own, independent of history, teachings, or revelation, it is Original Sin.
 
Of the world's 5 largest religions, which do you believe has more insight into human nature as in how we think and what we need in life to be happy and fulfilled? By this I do not mean which do you think is the "true faith" or not, but rather which one in its teachings and scriptures reveals the most about our true nature.

islam seems the most logical one in terms of what we humans are in nature

and far eastern philosophies idealize the human being in terms of what we should be

but l believe all religions give us only one thing ;how we are happy
 
Traditional Chinese Folk Religion, Buddhism, and I think even Hinduism don't even deal with "salvation" or an afterlife. I don't think Buddhism even deals with the concept of a soul.

I was referring more to god-based religions ('are fictitious god is the fictitious god').
 
Now I'm sensing denial...

Now you're sensing silence...I don't debate with people that put words in my mouth and/or tell me what I am thinking even when I deny it.

Think whatever you wish (clearly you will anyway).

Good day.
 
Religion strikes me more as a narrative than being insightful. When I think of insight, I'm more likely to associate it with lines of inquiry; the striving for knowledge of things unknown. As with science for example. Which makes such knowledge no less insightful having been discovered, of course, but then it's an actual insight as opposed to being strictly insightful, which more accurately suggests the actual process or faculty whereby such knowledge was gleaned. Further, religion, being resistant and oft times even openly hostile to revision, owes the greater part of its subscription to the inertia of historical longevity more so than any validity of ongoing feedback. It's traditions and rituals.

I suppose the distinction is so subtle as to be almost pedantic, but it's the difference between a perspective that claims to be (rightly or wrongly) immutable, and one that by operative necessity must forever remain inconclusive.

At the point where these seemingly conflicting approaches find commonality in the object of their application, I'm convinced they'll become one. That neither exists to the exclusion of the other is proof alone of a hitherto unrecognised symbiotic component. That innominate (patris lulz) 'something' residing somewhere in the desire for knowledge itself, perhaps? I don't know.

I do hope we haven't been chasing our own tails this whole time, or we stand to be the butt of future jokes.
 
Now you're sensing silence...I don't debate with people that put words in my mouth and/or tell me what I am thinking even when I deny it.

Think whatever you wish (clearly you will anyway).

Good day.

More anger from your side...
 
More anger from your side...

Lol...more presupposing (hoping?) from yours. Can't deal with facts, so you make some up...ahh religious types...at least the more defensive ones

Maybe next you could tell me who I want to win the Super Bowl (Seattle, btw). Or my feelings about the new '15 Ford Mustang (I like it, btw).

Pass...life is too short to waste it on people like you. Talk to me when you actually listen and respect other people's words and feelings...even when you don't like those words.


We are done on this for now.
 
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Religion strikes me more as a narrative than being insightful. When I think of insight, I'm more likely to associate it with lines of inquiry; the striving for knowledge of things unknown. As with science for example. Which makes such knowledge no less insightful having been discovered, of course, but then it's an actual insight as opposed to being strictly insightful, which more accurately suggests the actual process or faculty whereby such knowledge was gleaned. Further, religion, being resistant and oft times even openly hostile to revision, owes the greater part of its subscription to the inertia of historical longevity more so than any validity of ongoing feedback. It's traditions and rituals.

I suppose the distinction is so subtle as to be almost pedantic, but it's the difference between a perspective that claims to be (rightly or wrongly) immutable, and one that by operative necessity must forever remain inconclusive.

At the point where these seemingly conflicting approaches find commonality in the object of their application, I'm convinced they'll become one. That neither exists to the exclusion of the other is proof alone of a hitherto unrecognised symbiotic component. That innominate (patris lulz) 'something' residing somewhere in the desire for knowledge itself, perhaps? I don't know.

I do hope we haven't been chasing our own tails this whole time, or we stand to be the butt of future jokes.

For quite some time, many religions argued with many scientists over whether or not the universe had a beginning (a genesis moment) or had always been as it was (steady state theory). The joke when we developed Big Bang Theory was that scientists had finally climbed the mountain of knowledge, surmounted the final precipice, only to be greeted by a group of theologians who had been waiting for them for centuries. :lol:
 
Of the world's 5 largest religions, which do you believe has more insight into human nature as in how we think and what we need in life to be happy and fulfilled? By this I do not mean which do you think is the "true faith" or not, but rather which one in its teachings and scriptures reveals the most about our true nature.


I have studied all 5, and chose to adhere to Christianity, because it speaks true to me.


However, I do not consider it disloyal to my faith to say I have found much that is admirable and wise in Buddhism and Taoism as well. Hinduism is interesting but never really struck me as having possession of any great insights. Islam never appealed at all, apologies to any offended in present company.
 
Lol...more presupposing (hoping?) from yours. Can't deal with facts, so you make some up...ahh religious types.

Maybe next you could tell me who I want to win the Super Bowl (Seattle, btw). Or my feelings about the new '15 Ford Mustang (I like it, btw).

Pass...life is too short to waste it on people like you.


We are done on this for now.

Now you're just projecting your own issues on me.

All I'm doing is observing your written material.
 
For quite some time, many religions argued with many scientists over whether or not the universe had a beginning (a genesis moment) or had always been as it was (steady state theory). The joke when we developed Big Bang Theory was that scientists had finally climbed the mountain of knowledge, surmounted the final precipice, only to be greeted by a group of theologians who had been waiting for them for centuries. :lol:
:lol:

+1

I'm guessing they huffed up and called it beginner's luck.
 
:lol:

+1

I'm guessing they huffed up and called it beginner's luck.

:) If so, social science seems to be giving us a +2 with regards to organization of the basic social unit.

Call it Coincidence?
 
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