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  • I do not follow immoral laws even if the chances of legal consequences are high and severe

    4 10.53%
  • I do not follow immoral laws only if there is a moderate chance of legal consequences

    5 13.16%
  • I only ignore immoral laws if there is a small chances of legal consequences

    5 13.16%
  • I follow all laws, even if I don't morally agree with them

    3 7.89%
  • I do what I want!

    10 26.32%
  • other (please explain)

    4 10.53%
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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    It is, in the sense you must allow freedom of morality.
    Mmm, nope. There should be freedoms of various things, but one's belief about what is moral does not put him/her above the law of the land.

    The government should not be the one to tell you what is right and wrong.
    How not? It does so on behalf of the society whose members, in the absence of government doing so, would tell you what is right and wrong via other (less controlled and less desirable) methods.
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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Mmm, nope. There should be freedoms of various things, but one's belief about what is moral does not put him/her above the law of the land.



    How not? It does so on behalf of the society whose members, in the absence of government doing so, would tell you what is right and wrong via other (less controlled and less desirable) methods.
    Unless the activity does harm there is no reason to restrict it. It is freedom, it doesn't affect anyone else but you and/or a consenting partner so the government has no need to legislate on it. People already define their own morals and morals vary form person to person.
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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I am curious how people differentiate between legality and morality in their every day actions
    Good question - this is honestly a tough one. At what point does my moral outrage suffice to justify disobedience?

    At the point (I would say) where disobedience and refusal to participate is worth the punishment inflicted. For example, I believe that the minimum wage is an immoral law that hurts our poor by moving opportunity out of their reach... but if I owned a business, everyone I employed would, well, be paid at least minimum wage, and if someone came by and was willing to work for less just to get a job to get the experience... I would probably have to tell him no, and wish him luck. It wouldn't be worth my business and the jobs of all my other employees.

    But if I was ordered to (for example) violate the precepts of my faith, or actively harm an innocent human being? That would probably be worth taking the jail time that comes with Civil Disobedience.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Unless the activity does harm there is no reason to restrict it.
    Agree.

    It is freedom, it doesn't affect anyone else but you and/or a consenting partner so the government has no need to legislate on it.
    So you're talking about gay marriage or gay sex or whatnot? I agree, not something ripe for government legislation/regulation.

    Would you apply this rationale to wage laws? It doesn't affect anyone else but you and your trading partner so the government has no need to legislate on it.

    People already define their own morals and morals vary form person to person.
    Sure, beliefs about what is right and wrong may vary from person to person, but the society typically has some way of enforcing the rights and wrongs about which it widely agrees.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Agree.

    So you're talking about gay marriage or gay sex or whatnot? I agree, not something ripe for government legislation/regulation.

    Would you apply this rationale to wage laws? It doesn't affect anyone else but you and your trading partner so the government has no need to legislate on it.

    Sure, beliefs about what is right and wrong may vary from person to person, but the society typically has some way of enforcing the rights and wrongs about which it widely agrees.
    The government has no place in the bedrooms of the nation or the entertainment industry for that standard. I am against the government setting any moral standard.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Anyone that follows a law they think is immoral, dies a tiny bit inside every time they do, IMO.


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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    The government has no place in the bedrooms of the nation or the entertainment industry for that standard. I am against the government setting any moral standard.
    You're taking a very specific issue and extrapolating it to making broad claims that I don't think you actually mean.

    I agree with you that our government shouldn't try to regulate sexual and other relationships between consenting adults, but the issue of morality in general has to do with right and wrong, and our government establishes laws about what the people who elect people to the government generally agree is right and wrong.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I am curious how people differentiate between legality and morality in their every day actions
    had to answer other

    since morals are factually subjective theres no way to answer, id have to answer case by case off of examples cant just answer in general


    anyway i follow most laws, im sure like most people i have j-walked, been speeding, i drank underage etc

    as far as laws and morality they dont really relate, sometimes they line up sometimes they do



    but whats interesting and you made me think of it, i cant think of an immoral law right now.
    Does anybody have some examples of immoral laws? maybe my head is just foggy.
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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Anyone that follows a law they think is immoral, dies a tiny bit inside every time they do, IMO.

    I would rather be a dead hero then a live coward.
    Death is not the usual punishment for law breaking. Could you offer some examples of the kinds of laws you would refuse to comply with?

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Death is not the usual punishment for law breaking. Could you offer some examples of the kinds of laws you would refuse to comply with?
    I was referring to an extreme.

    And whether I would comply with a law or not would depend on how much breaking the law was worth the hassle if I got caught...which could depend on the law, my thought process at that time and other circumstances.

    Basically, I believe (in this case) in the Libertarian ideas about laws. That what I do that does not negatively affect others reasonable enjoyment of life is none of the government's business...generally speaking.

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