View Poll Results: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

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  • I do not follow immoral laws even if the chances of legal consequences are high and severe

    4 10.53%
  • I do not follow immoral laws only if there is a moderate chance of legal consequences

    5 13.16%
  • I only ignore immoral laws if there is a small chances of legal consequences

    5 13.16%
  • I follow all laws, even if I don't morally agree with them

    3 7.89%
  • I do what I want!

    10 26.32%
  • other (please explain)

    4 10.53%
  • taco rootabegas

    7 18.42%
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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I am curious how people differentiate between legality and morality in their every day actions
    Who's moral code? And how immoral are we speaking?
    I might follow laws happily that you think immoral, because I think the law the opposite and I might not risk my life unless I thought it was an Anna Frankel situation.
    But that is the ultimate question for free socirty. Are the people willing to stand up and fight bad law.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I will use one of my own morals for example.

    I very strongly believe that copyright law is immoral in that the balance between rewarding the creator versus progressing society is way off. In fact, I believe the US founding fathers had it about right 14 years plus a 14 year renewal (actually in the speed of today's economy 20 years is still way in favor of the creator versus society), while in the US, copyrights can go for as long as 75 years after the creator's death. Mickey Mouse should be public domain as well as Elvis songs. Our cultural heritage has value that is priceless and is more valuable than money or property.

    So I pretty much ignore copyright law as a result (unless I am at work). I do so because I know that statistically, I am very unlikely to get caught, especially as I employ techniques to mask my identity as I do not believe I should be punished for something that I don't believe is wrong. If copyright law were such that I believe it to be reasonable, I would be more inclined to pay for media of a certain age.
    A short story, "Melancholy Elephants" by Spider Robinson(?), covers the subject well.

    Its based on the premise that musically, there are a finite number of melodies that appeal to the human ear. Therefore, if all music is permanently copyrighted there eventually will be no "new" music. Most if not all "new" songs are close enough to earlier ones to violate copyright law.
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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If I know I will get away with it, I have absolutely zero concern whatsoever for the law. I have a moral code that supercedes the law, and that is one of peace and tolerance. I believe without a victim there can be no crime, and I try to live my life as to do no one harm.
    That is fine, when the riding is easy.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Typical atheistic anarchism. Abandoning god and so you abandon your commitment to law, order, and the responsibilities of citizenship. This is why we need a strong, strict, and godly system of government and order.
    Not atheistic. I just do not believe in organized religion. The Gods most definitely DO exist, but not in the way the Abrahamic religions see Him.

    Abandoning the Christian diety has nothing to do with abandoning a commitment to Law and Order. The fact that this society has abandoned any pretense of Law and Order is what makes me justified in ignoring their improper rules and regulations. Realize there are no actual responsibilities of Citizenship espoused in the US Constitution. That's one of the things the Founders made a major mistake in leaving out.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I've never seen you before in my life.



    So let me get this straight. You're trying to say that the bible says you should follow ANY law, no matter how heinous, because that's "just what god said"? So if a law came out saying you had to piss on the cross while a politician has sex with your wife, you would say "Well baby, better get going, it's the law!"?

    There are limits to what you would accept as a law, and you know there is.



    I hear Sharia law has been working out super great for the people under it.
    Oh come on man:

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    Another word for this starts with a T and it's been working fairly well so far.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Oh come on man:

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    Another word for this starts with a T and it's been working fairly well so far.
    If you're just taking up this position ironically, you need to use sarcasm tags. IE:

    <sarcasm> God says we should obey all laws, no matter how bad they are! </sarcasm>

    Your absurd rhetoric is far, far, far too similar to actual posters on this thread to not be taken seriously.
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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Who's moral code? And how immoral are we speaking?
    I might follow laws happily that you think immoral, because I think the law the opposite and I might not risk my life unless I thought it was an Anna Frankel situation.
    But that is the ultimate question for free socirty. Are the people willing to stand up and fight bad law.
    I think its interesting because in our mythological context, we tend to think of an us vs them scenario. People vs the government, for example. When in our society, it ends up being people vs people, which flips the old model on its head. This is why, I think, in the past, politics had a definite trajectory, but over the last 100 or more years, we get mired in the same old questions. In a sense we are fighting ourselves instead of fighting another.

    What this means and how or if things will work out? I have no idea.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If you're just taking up this position to be sarcastic, you need to use sarcasm tags. IE:

    <sarcasm> God says we should obey all laws, no matter how bad they are! </sarcasm>

    Your absurd rhetoric is far, far, far too similar to actual posters on this thread to not be taken seriously.
    Because it's verbatim Tigger. Minus his abandonment of 'organized religion'. It also isn't as effective if you use tags!

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    I think the last option should actually be "rutabega tacos."

    Depends on the law and how bad it's likely to be if I get caught. I might break it all the time, but put on a good public face.


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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I think the last option should actually be "rutabega tacos."

    Depends on the law and how bad it's likely to be if I get caught. I might break it all the time, but put on a good public face.
    only if it was tacos

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