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  • I do not follow immoral laws even if the chances of legal consequences are high and severe

    4 10.53%
  • I do not follow immoral laws only if there is a moderate chance of legal consequences

    5 13.16%
  • I only ignore immoral laws if there is a small chances of legal consequences

    5 13.16%
  • I follow all laws, even if I don't morally agree with them

    3 7.89%
  • I do what I want!

    10 26.32%
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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    If you are going to reject out of hand an appeal to natural law--what is right based upon the nature of man as man, then I have no answer for you.
    That works. I tend to prefer conversations with substance rather than rote recitals. Human nature doesn't fit neatly into logical proscriptions, same reason why communism fails too.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No, I don't consider myself the arbiter. I simply compare the law to True Morality and when they don't match up, I ignore the law.

    The United States hasn't been interested in Justice for more than a Century. It hasn't been interested in Decency in almost as long.

    Which "book" would that be?
    Seriously? The Bible. The book of our Lord.


    Titus 3:1 - Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

    Romans 13:1 - Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

    1 Peter 2:13-17 - Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme


    Feel free to go on spouting your godless anarchism that you twist into a morality argument, it is what it is. Discipline, obedience, and faith are what you and so many Americans need.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    What do you mean with immoral laws?
    Generally those with no victim, save for offending the sensibilities of prudes. Drinking beer in public (say at a park or while fishing) is one that comes to mind. No, I am not condoning drunk and disorderly behavior - I simply see no harm in someone enjoying a cold beer on a hot (or any other) day.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Seriously? The Bible. The book of our Lord.......

    Feel free to go on spouting your godless anarchism that you twist into a morality argument, it is what it is. Discipline, obedience, and faith are what you and so many Americans need.
    No, the book of YOUR Lord. I made the mistake of following that bologna for more than a quarter century before my eyes were opened. I've learned more about the reality of the world in the 13 years since I gave up on that horse crap than I had in the 27 years I followed it.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    What do you mean with immoral laws?
    I will use one of my own morals for example.

    I very strongly believe that copyright law is immoral in that the balance between rewarding the creator versus progressing society is way off. In fact, I believe the US founding fathers had it about right 14 years plus a 14 year renewal (actually in the speed of today's economy 20 years is still way in favor of the creator versus society), while in the US, copyrights can go for as long as 75 years after the creator's death. Mickey Mouse should be public domain as well as Elvis songs. Our cultural heritage has value that is priceless and is more valuable than money or property.

    So I pretty much ignore copyright law as a result (unless I am at work). I do so because I know that statistically, I am very unlikely to get caught, especially as I employ techniques to mask my identity as I do not believe I should be punished for something that I don't believe is wrong. If copyright law were such that I believe it to be reasonable, I would be more inclined to pay for media of a certain age.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I occasionally drink beer in public - usually either while mowing grass or at one of my favorite fishing holes. I have yet to be arrested for this serious moral offense.
    We had "booze and cruise", open containers on foot in Pacific Beach CA when I loved there in the nineties.

    Now you can't drink on ANY beach in San diego. For the children.

    Never have understood why EVERY beach has to be kid friendly. Why can't we split em up so some are for kids and some for grownups. We outnumber the kids after all. We're pretty sure "the children" were used as a shill to make cops lives easier.

    I doubt that hard drug use spiking amongst young people after "cruising" was banned was a coincidence. Instead of going to a beach park to preen and check out the opposite sex they started sitting around at home getting high. Unintended consequences.
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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No, the book of YOUR Lord. I made the mistake of following that bologna for more than a quarter century before my eyes were opened. I've learned more about the reality of the world in the 13 years since I gave up on that horse crap than I had in the 27 years I followed it.
    Typical atheistic anarchism. Abandoning god and so you abandon your commitment to law, order, and the responsibilities of citizenship. This is why we need a strong, strict, and godly system of government and order.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If I know I will get away with it, I have absolutely zero concern whatsoever for the law. I have a moral code that supercedes the law, and that is one of peace and tolerance. I believe without a victim there can be no crime, and I try to live my life as to do no one harm.
    Basically this. I have very little respect for secular law as a general concept, as it often has nothing to do with my personal sense of morality (or even simple common sense, for that matter).

    I follow the law because I will get in trouble if I do not. If I feel like I can by-pass an inconvenient, unnecessary, or immoral law without harming anyone, or drawing undue attention from the authorities, I will do so in a heart beat under most circumstances.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Seriously? The Bible. The book of our Lord.


    Titus 3:1 - Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

    Romans 13:1 - Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

    1 Peter 2:13-17 - Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme


    Feel free to go on spouting your godless anarchism that you twist into a morality argument, it is what it is. Discipline, obedience, and faith are what you and so many Americans need.
    I've always suspected passages like that were added when kings controlled the bible.

    Can't see why worshipping a golden calf is worse than licking some king's boot

    Doesn't that put kings before god?
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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    We've talked like a hundred times on here. God how does no one remember me? This sucks. I'm CLEARLY aping him.
    I've never seen you before in my life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Seriously? The Bible. The book of our Lord.


    Titus 3:1 - Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

    Romans 13:1 - Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

    1 Peter 2:13-17 - Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme


    Feel free to go on spouting your godless anarchism that you twist into a morality argument, it is what it is. Discipline, obedience, and faith are what you and so many Americans need.
    So let me get this straight. You're trying to say that the bible says you should follow ANY law, no matter how heinous, because that's "just what god said"? So if a law came out saying you had to piss on the cross while a politician has sex with your wife, you would say "Well baby, better get going, it's the law!"?

    There are limits to what you would accept as a law, and you know there is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Typical atheistic anarchism. Abandoning god and so you abandon your commitment to law, order, and the responsibilities of citizenship. This is why we need a strong, strict, and godly system of government and order.
    I hear Sharia law has been working out super great for the people under it.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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