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  • I do not follow immoral laws even if the chances of legal consequences are high and severe

    4 10.53%
  • I do not follow immoral laws only if there is a moderate chance of legal consequences

    5 13.16%
  • I only ignore immoral laws if there is a small chances of legal consequences

    5 13.16%
  • I follow all laws, even if I don't morally agree with them

    3 7.89%
  • I do what I want!

    10 26.32%
  • other (please explain)

    4 10.53%
  • taco rootabegas

    7 18.42%
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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I cannot support this kind of wanton anarchism. People like you are why we have society and the state. It's high time we began enforcing our laws and re-instilling discipline in those who would flout them like yourself. The Lord ordained that we set ourselves up in a society of laws, it isn't up to you to pick and choose what you would obey or disobey. You utterly fail to comprehend the responsibilities of citizenship.
    LOL. I'm almost as much an Anarchist as I am a female. I'm an Authoritarian. However, I do not and never have seen a need or responsibility to claim any allegiance or show any respect to a government that does not have true morality and values at its heart; and the US government doesn't even come close to having either of those ideals as a basis for its society. It did in the past, but has not for a century and a half now.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    LOL. I'm almost as much an Anarchist as I am a female. I'm an Authoritarian. However, I do not and never have seen a need or responsibility to claim any allegiance or show any respect to a government that does not have true morality and values at its heart; and the US government doesn't even come close to having either of those ideals as a basis for its society. It did in the past, but has not for a century and a half now.
    And you consider yourself the arbiter of picking and choosing which laws are worth obeying? Which meet the standard of 'justice'? This is exactly the kind of slipshod leftist moral weakness that is ruining our country. Take a crack at the book sometime and learn your place in our social order.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I cannot support this kind of wanton anarchism. People like you are why we have society and the state. It's high time we began enforcing our laws and re-instilling discipline in those who would flout them like yourself. The Lord ordained that we set ourselves up in a society of laws, it isn't up to you to pick and choose what you would obey or disobey. You utterly fail to comprehend the responsibilities of citizenship.
    Bahahahahaha, you waltzed right past several libertarians saying the exact same thing, but then attack Tigger, the most fascistic, nanny state poster on this forum, and call him an anarchist?

    Are you for real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    And you consider yourself the arbiter of picking and choosing which laws are worth obeying? Which meet the standard of 'justice'? This is exactly the kind of slipshod leftist moral weakness that is ruining our country. Take a crack at the book sometime and learn your place in our social order.
    **** your laws. Your laws are made by lobbyists buying politicians. Your laws have people locked in cages for harming no one. The only thing that matters is minding your own business and doing no harm to your neighbors.
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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    And you consider yourself the arbiter of picking and choosing which laws are worth obeying? Which meet the standard of 'justice'? This is exactly the kind of slipshod leftist moral weakness that is ruining our country. Take a crack at the book sometime and learn your place in our social order.
    No, I don't consider myself the arbiter. I simply compare the law to True Morality and when they don't match up, I ignore the law.

    The United States hasn't been interested in Justice for more than a Century. It hasn't been interested in Decency in almost as long.

    Which "book" would that be?

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It really depends on what you define as immoral laws. I don't necessarily see law and morality as the same thing. Some laws are moral, but not all morality is law. I tend to go by my own personal ethical standards. I can think of anything I would do that is illegal. Smoking pot may be the exception, but the legal status prevents me from doing so, as I am not willing to risk my professional license for it.
    I occasionally drink beer in public - usually either while mowing grass or at one of my favorite fishing holes. I have yet to be arrested for this serious moral offense.
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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Bahahahahaha, you waltzed right past several libertarians saying the exact same thing, but then attack Tigger, the most fascistic, nanny state poster on this forum, and call him an anarchist?

    Are you for real?
    I think he did so because of Tigger's utter rejection and implicit embrace of vigilantism.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Bahahahahaha, you waltzed right past several libertarians saying the exact same thing, but then attack Tigger, the most fascistic, nanny state poster on this forum, and call him an anarchist?

    Are you for real?



    **** your laws. Your laws are made by lobbyists buying politicians. Your laws have people locked in cages for harming no one. The only thing that matters is minding your own business and doing no harm to your neighbors.
    We've talked like a hundred times on here. God how does no one remember me? This sucks. I'm CLEARLY aping him.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    I answered "I do what I want". I also have my own code which supercedes "the law". For example, I smoke pot, but use my turn signals and come to a complete stop at stop.signs.

    If I'm gonna do something that has severe possible consequences I manage those risks appropriately.

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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I am curious how people differentiate between legality and morality in their every day actions
    What do you mean with immoral laws?
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    Re: How inclined are you to follow immoral laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Thats nice and all, but in a society with 300 million people all slightly different moral codes. There can't really be any laws with a moral foundation (even citizens like tigger are for murder). and because we are a republic, we are our own rulers, so that part of your argument doesn't work very well either.

    everyone thinks that their moral code is the best one, so nobody in the end is in a position to say their moral code is the best one. I can explain that further if you don't get it though, but basically nobody's view is superior and in the end there is no objective way (and please dont go all natural law on me, that's not a superior position, even though libertarians tend to think it is, its still just an opinion, as valid as the guy down the street's)

    So, really, because of that, what I am really asking is how one interprets legal functions and internalized them, the philosophy behind why is unimportant for this query, as I already explained
    If you are going to reject out of hand an appeal to natural law--what is right based upon the nature of man as man, then I have no answer for you.

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