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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Being a superpower simply means having the potential to defend against any attack, not the need to constantly meddle militarily in the affairs of other nations unless they attack us (or our allies). National defense is not the same as playing world policeman. If the most powerful military on the planet cannot advance beyond a stalemate, in over a decade, against an enemy with no air force, navy and a rag tag, at best, army then we have a very bad battle plan.
    "superpower" is the new code word for empire. our best national defense is to be less dependent on our "enemies."

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you kidding me? Our military is not designed to prevent other countries from falling into disarray. Nation building, like peace keeping, are not military matters - our national defense is. Responding to direct attacks upon ourselves and our allies by treaty are plenty enough to deal with. Wasting our time, treasure and lives trying to create (or save) other nations leaves us much weaker to deal with any real threats.
    If we're going to go as far as invading, disposing of the leadership and rebuilding the infrastructure then we have some responsibility to stay as long as it takes.

    Like you, I'm not personally in favor of such endeavors but, the damage is done and it is what it is.

    It makes us look like chumps when we DO use all of our resources and treasure only to leave in a hurry.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    If we're going to go as far as invading, disposing of the leadership and rebuilding the infrastructure then we have some responsibility to stay as long as it takes.

    Like you, I'm not personally in favor of such endeavors but, the damage is done and it is what it is.

    It makes us look like chumps when we DO use all of our resources and treasure only to leave in a hurry.
    The police, EMS and fire department have a better plan; once the emergency is gone then so are they, leaving the rebuilding to others. Our military is not trained or equipped to lead nations or to rebuild infrastructure.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The police, EMS and fire department have a better plan; once the emergency is gone then so are they, leaving the rebuilding to others. Our military is not trained or equipped to lead nations or to rebuild infrastructure.
    Well there are 100s of private contractors in Iraq for example. Our military should just be providing security and that's it, something they are good at.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Well there are 100s of private contractors in Iraq for example. Our military should just be providing security and that's it, something they are good at.
    Right, since Afghanistan is such a safe and secure place now - after over a decade of US military involvement.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Any country that thinks we're "weaker" now should take a crack at invading us. After about a month they'll realize the error of their ways.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    The perception of weakness I honestly see as a talk-radio/Fox News talking point. That's not to say their followers don't truly believe it to be true.

    For me to believe it, I'd want to see some polling data from other countries that say THEY think America is weaker under President Obama. Certainly Al Qaeda doesn't think America is weaker under Obama who's membership is being dropped like flies and cannot get in a car and drive to the grocery store without worrying they'll be killed by a drone attack they didn't even see coming.

    The North Korea is acting like they don't care what we think but they were holding American prisoner and testing nuclear weapons BEFORE Obama took office. I don't think who the US President is affects them either way.

    Syria and Bashar al-Assad are on crack but what's new? Iraq under Saddam Hussein, another Middle Eastern dictatorship was just as evil and never feared America under previous US presidents despite having military action taken against him. On the other hand Bashar al-Assad as well Iran are dismantling the WMD capabilities under international inspection likely because of fear of American strength under Obama.

    Interesting to me the power of the right-wing to media to convince their trusting followers of things that have no basis in truth and in fact in some cases things that contradict facts.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Right, since Afghanistan is such a safe and secure place now - after over a decade of US military involvement.
    Like I said, I agreed with your reasoning but, to others it make us look weak to start something and not finish the job.. (the premise of this thread)

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    if "weaker" means less of a perceived empirical "superpower," i hope so. we have been the first world's pro bono army for more than half a a century now, and it's time to go back to being a country. it is someone else's turn to bankrupt itself on global police actions while we fix our damned bridges and improve the lives of average working citizens.

    every empire collapses. some countries endure. seems like it's better for us to be a country.
    Amen! Helix. There's no place in the US Constitution or the Declaration of Independence stating that we're going to be savior to the world. Time to spend $$$ here!
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    The perception of weakness I honestly see as a talk-radio/Fox News talking point. That's not to say their followers don't truly believe it to be true.

    For me to believe it, I'd want to see some polling data from other countries that say THEY think America is weaker under President Obama. Certainly Al Qaeda doesn't think America is weaker under Obama who's membership is being dropped like flies and cannot get in a car and drive to the grocery store without worrying they'll be killed by a drone attack they didn't even see coming.

    The North Korea is acting like they don't care what we think but they were holding American prisoner and testing nuclear weapons BEFORE Obama took office. I don't think who the US President is affects them either way.

    Syria and Bashar al-Assad are on crack but what's new? Iraq under Saddam Hussein, another Middle Eastern dictatorship was just as evil and never feared America under previous US presidents despite having military action taken against him. On the other hand Bashar al-Assad as well Iran are dismantling the WMD capabilities under international inspection likely because of fear of American strength under Obama.

    Interesting to me the power of the right-wing to media to convince their trusting followers of things that have no basis in truth and in fact in some cases things that contradict facts.
    Our Military is second to none. That is not the problem. "money talks and BS Walks" is the old axiom. We have been pretty much broke since the beginning of the GW Bush (the first torturer) Great Recession. That is what reduced our power, or more correctly, our World influence. The great and inimitable GW Bush broke the bank and the Fed has been patching the damage with band aids and more bullcrap. It's like holes in a balloon and instead of patching the holes, we keep blowing in more air/confidence/bullcrap into that holy balloon. We keep throwing our money at "Service" Industries/banks that move paper instead of into programs that create labor intensive projects, Renewable Energy beckons. Comes a reckoning, don't ya' know?

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