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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I have a feeling you're one of those US Conservatives that would damn him whatever he did. If he determined and achieved the deposition of Assad, you'd condemn him for kow-towing to the Saudis and being a secret AQ supporter.
    Not really. I wanted him out of there, like I wanted him out of Libya.
    But he stayed-and allowed AQ to kill 4 Americans there as well.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Hmm, the day of his election various countries released statements along the lines of "We are pleased to see that we can work with the US again." So yeah, i think GW managed to isolate the country with such polarizing tactics as "You're with us or against us" and "freedom fries."
    Kindly link to these, please. Lefty blogs dont count.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    One thing that I've always wondered about that is that if it was Clinton's fault, Why did G.W. Bush take a dump in his pants when it happened ?

    Bush seriously lost it that day, and it's all on tape.

    Because his nation was under attack? I dont think he lost it-but lets see whats "on tape".

    Imagine if Al Gore or even worse Obama had been in power.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    There is a difference between being tough and talking tough. Obama leads through leadership...George W. "Bring it on" Bush was a trash talking cowboy wannabe. The world has much more respect for the US today than they did under the previous administration.
    How is Obama leading?

    He is punked diplomatically, and even the democrats in congress have difficulty working with him. He leads from behind, piss poorly.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Well I have to be careful, don't want to get infracted or receive a warning for using a link that requires a subscription like Time magazine does.

    I can swear I provided a link to International Business Times. Let's see how I can do this.

    Here's Times magazine original story from April 26, 2012 with a link to the full story for those who are subscribers. -> The Last Days of Osama bin Laden | TIME.com

    Here's the link to International Business Times who are subscribers to Time magazine just like Infowars and many other news websites are.

    CIA Memo Released: Obama Relied On Admiral Bill McRaven To Kill Bin Laden [TRANSCRIPT]
    CIA Memo Released: Obama Relied On Admiral Bill McRaven To Kill Bin Laden [TRANSCRIPT]

    Now it you look at IBTimes and Infowars articles posted on 27th of April, they almost look identical.
    Each is opinionated.
    >" The memo also shows that Obama was not in charge of operation strategy as the mission was being carried out. Panetta noted that the timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands..."<



    But the best source are the Navy SEAL's who were on the raid. Their story doesn't even come close to Obama's or the Obama White House story. And what was their biggest concerned ? That they don't like Obama being their CnC and might have helped get Obama reelected.
    Why of course a military operation, set in to motion and ordered by the President of the United States of America,(Chief Executive Officer.) would be in the hands of a top brass officer; you wouldn't think that the President is going to be with them to lead would you?

    The way infowars had it wrote up, Obama was using Admiral McRaven as a scapegoat; wrong, he was the highly competent leader of that group taking orders from the President to basically stay on the mission. Note:

    Memo for the Record - April 29, 2011 10:35 AM.

    Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the president made a decision with regard to AC1. The decision is to proceed with the assault. The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the president. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the president for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get Bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out. Those instructions were conveyed to Admiral McRaven at approximately 10:45 a.m.

    Leon Panetta, CIA


    Points:

    1. Point clear in the memo: "If he is not there to get out."
    2.Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. (Meaning anything that strays from those orders are to brought to the Chief Executive Officer's attention)

    Any military operation that the President is directly involved with or it is just in the military's hands are carried out through something known as orders; it's just the way it has always been handled. No one is trying to hide because they're embarrassed over what they're doing; and, for that overweight blowhard that had the audacity to show one story where there was dishonor involved --just in case it failed--or that the whole thing was just a fabrication, and expect people to see both stories at that site and try to see some kind of credibility in that smut, does not show to well on Mr. Jones' integrity, now does it?

    Now in the article you proposed in the above quote, where does it state that President Obama tried to hide behind Admiral McRaven just in case this thing didn't work out right? It seems to me that infowars didn't copy that part down right.

    And those Seals? They're selling books.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Why of course a military operation, set in to motion and ordered by the President of the United States of America,(Chief Executive Officer.) would be in the hands of a top brass officer; you wouldn't think that the President is going to be with them to lead would you?
    Not Obama, he was on the golf course when the Navy SEAL's were already in the air.

    Obama was out of the loop. He was informed that the mission was in process while playing golf.

    All you have to do is look at the photo op in the White House situation room. Everyone in the room looks clueless on what was happening including Obama except for Gates and the Air Force officer sitting in the CnC chair in the situation room.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Not Obama, he was on the golf course when the Navy SEAL's were already in the air.

    Obama was out of the loop. He was informed that the mission was in process while playing golf.

    All you have to do is look at the photo op in the White House situation room. Everyone in the room looks clueless on what was happening including Obama except for Gates and the Air Force officer sitting in the CnC chair in the situation room.

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    Well I guess you must want him to be on that plane personally leading? Seriously? Which one is worse? A President playing golf waiting for the special forces to get to their destination, or the USA being under attack while you keep on reading a book in an elementary school? Puzzled by that?



    Don't worry. You can't be as puzzled as Bush was.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Not Obama, he was on the golf course when the Navy SEAL's were already in the air.

    Obama was out of the loop. He was informed that the mission was in process while playing golf.

    All you have to do is look at the photo op in the White House situation room. Everyone in the room looks clueless on what was happening including Obama except for Gates and the Air Force officer sitting in the CnC chair in the situation room.

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    Note how Obama sat in the room. He sure does NOT look like a leader.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'm not sure I'd call that a good interpretation of the data.

    The "global medians" chart you posted earlier shows 7% up in approval and 9% down in disapproval from 2008 (Shrub) to 2012 (Obama).

    The "Europe medians" chart shows approval 18% up and disapproval 32% down for the same period.
    Whatever the British think it's obviously not reflected in the rest of Europe - but what can we expect from a country who jumped in bed with Shrub to go to war on a trumped up charge?

    U.S. Leadership Earning Lower Marks Worldwide


    So much for "appreciating your disclosure" - more like recognizing your lies and half-truths.
    The more I look, the more derision Obama come under from foreign leaders.

    This all the way back in 2009:
    “While US President Barack Obama is very intelligent and charismatic, he is “not always at his best when it comes to decisions and efficiency… He has only been elected for two months and has never managed a ministry in his life.” Previous reports including a controversial comment that “Obama is an empty suit.. and has an immature Iranian policy” alledged to have been made by Sarkozy as published in the Israeli publication

    Today the liberal press is again touting another marvel in world diplomacy that President Obama shook hands with Venezuelan dictator, Hugo Chavez, who had this to say about President Obama less than a month ago “”He goes and accuses me of exporting terrorism: the least I can say is that he’s a poor ignoramus; he should read and study a little to understand reality”

    Is Obama building respect for American leadership or ridicule? Are other world leaders really seeing Obama as a true world leader or do they see him as a manipulatable clown that is always ready to be the first to compromise as he did with the recent lifting of some sanctions on Cuba when there are no guarantees of reciprocal action such as releasing political prisoners. I was always taught that respect is a two-way street.
    Do World Leaders Respect Obama?

    "manipulatable clown", "always ready to be the first to compromise" Direct quotes from world leaders that's not sounding like respect to me.

    In compiling this list I have picked the five presidential addresses by President Obama that represent the antithesis of the kind of leadership that Ronald Reagan demonstrated in confronting the Soviet Empire and winning the Cold War. These are all speeches that show either staggering naïveté or have gone out of their way to apologize for American power or America’s past, humiliating the United States in the process.

    Here is my list, in descending order:
    1. United Nations General Assembly Speech, New York, September 23, 2009
    2. Strasbourg Speech, April 3, 2009
    3. Cairo University Speech, June 4, 2009
    4. Prague Speech, April 5, 2009
    5. National Archives Speech, Washington, DC, May 21, 2009
    Barack Obama

    Embarrassing speeches in foreign lands in front of foreign leaders. Sure to win respect.

    No, I really don't think that Obama is respect in international leadership circles.

    As a contrast, not that I'm a Bush supporter other than wanting him to be treated fairly, note the differences as perceived by:
    Nile Gardiner is a Washington-based foreign affairs analyst and political commentator. A former aide to Margaret Thatcher, Gardiner has served as a foreign policy adviser to two US presidential campaigns. He appears frequently on American and British television, including Fox News Channel, BBC, and Fox Business Network.
    . . . .
    I’ve outlined below ten areas where George W. Bush’s international leadership was considerably smarter than that of his successor. As I noted in an article at the end of the Bush presidency, ten or twenty years from now, historians will view Bush's actions on the world stage in a more favourable light. President Bush, like Ronald Reagan, understood that American global leadership rests heavily upon the projection of hard power as well as diplomacy, and the United States can only lead effectively if it is willing to aggressively confront its enemies and defeat them.
    1. Bush never apologised for his country
    2. Bush identified and confronted evil
    3. Bush made the advance of freedom a key component of his agenda
    4. Bush defended national sovereignty
    5. Bush believed in the Special Relationship
    6. Bush cultivated key allies
    7. Bush understood the importance of missile defence
    8. Bush believed in fighting a global war
    9. Bush did not compromise US security
    10. Bush did not send mixed messages in the face of the enemy
    10 reasons why George W. Bush was a smarter world leader than Barack Obama – Telegraph Blogs

    So, no, I really don't think that Obama is respect in international leadership circles.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Well I guess you must want him to be on that plane personally leading? Seriously? Which one is worse? A President playing golf waiting for the special forces to get to their destination, or the USA being under attack while you keep on reading a book in an elementary school? Puzzled by that?



    Don't worry. You can't be as puzzled as Bush was.
    Why not post the video for all. G.W. Bush wasn't even reading the book. In fact look at the book, it's upside down. His face shows great concern. Now look at Obama's face in the W.H. photo op, he looks clueless. His only concern is getting reelected. He's not even sitting in the chair he's suppose to be sitting in.

    Obama never issued an order. Obama just signed off on the raid. That memo is just that, a memo. If you have served in the military you would know what a directive looks like and what an order looks like. They aren't hand written. They all look like they came from a teletype machine. All upper case letters.

    Then after the raid, Obama ignored the chain of command for his own political gain. Obama went on national television before the SEAL's could be debriefed and before an "After Action Report" could have been typed up and worked it's way up through there chain of command. Ignoring the chain a command is a big no no from a low ranking private to the Commander in Chief.

    FYI:
    When dealing with the military, POTUS is the Commander in Chief not the "Chief Executive Officer." Executive Officers in the military chain of command aren't the Commanding Officers. They are usually second in command.

    There's the Executive Branch of Government that President Obama is suppose to be responsible for. In the real world if Obama were a CEO in the private sector, the Board of Directors would have fired Obama as CEO for being incompetent, probably around June of 2009.

    It's Navy SEAL's, it's an acronym for Sea, Air, and Land. All upper case letters.

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