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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    How about the Navy SEAL's who were on the mission ?

    I wonder if the four Americans who were murdered in Benghazi on 9-11-12 depended on Obama as CnC ?

    Who was really in charge and calling the shots when Navy SEAL's went in and got Bin Laden. The incompetent Commander in Chief or a four star admiral ?

    CIA Memo: Admiral, Not Obama,
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    >" Approximately one year after the extermination of Osama bin Laden, a memo written by former CIA Director Leon Panetta has been obtained, revealing that President Obama was not, in fact, in charge of operation strategy in the hunt for the terrorist mastermind.

    Panetta received a call from National Security Officer Tom Donilon confirming that President Obama had made the decision to "proceed with the assault" on bin Laden's compound in Pakistan after assessing a risk profile. However, the memo, released by Time Magazine, states that "the timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands."

    "The direction is to go in and get bin Laden, and if he is not there, get out," read the memo. It does not clarify whether the intention was to kill bin Laden or to capture him.

    However, the memo also shows that President Obama was not in charge of operation strategy as the mission was being carried out. Rather, Panetta noted that, "the timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands."

    “The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration," said the memo.

    President Obama has said that the decision was one of the “gutsiest calls of any president in recent memory.” However, it seems that the “gutsy call,” was actually made by Admiral William McRaven, head of the Joint Special Operations Command.

    Two days after the memo was written, bin Laden was exterminated by a team of Navy SEAL commandos..."<

    CIA Memo: Admiral, Not Obama, In Charge of Bin Laden Raid
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Like I said: the President is the Chief Executive Officer; it doesn't get any higher than that.
    Well you should let Obama know that everyone below him has to answer to him and the buck is suppose to stop on his desk.

    There is a chain of command just like there is in the military. I don't think Obama understands how it works.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Well you should let Obama know that everyone below him has to answer to him and the buck is suppose to stop on his desk.

    There is a chain of command just like there is in the military. I don't think Obama understands how it works.
    Oh, he understands how it works alright; he was watching the monitor.

    But Apacherat, I would like to ask you a couple of questions, since you are in to this Alex Jones infowars site, OK?

    Earlier you showed me this:
    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Bin Laden was probably out of the loop just as Obama was.

    Navy SEAL's were stood down three times. Scuttlebutt is that it was Valerie Jarrett telling Obama not to do it fearing it would jepordise Obama's reelection. Eventually Obama threw the whole mess in Leon Pannetta's lap and he dumped in on Admiral. McRaven's lap. It was Adm. McRaven who ordered ther SEAL's to go in, not Obama. Obama wasn't even notified until the MH-60's were entering Pakistan air space.

    » Pentagon Disputes Claim that Memo Gave Obama Cover in Case of bin Laden Raid Failure Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
    But infowars.com also says that whole thing never happened. So which one of the stories should we believe from that site?

    Seymour Hersh: Bin Laden Raid “One Big Lie”

    I mean why would both stories walk all over one another?
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Oh, he understands how it works alright; he was watching the monitor.

    But Apacherat, I would like to ask you a couple of questions, since you are in to this Alex Jones infowars site, OK?

    Earlier you showed me this:

    But infowars.com also says that whole thing never happened. So which one of the stories should we believe from that site?

    Seymour Hersh: Bin Laden Raid “One Big Lie”

    I mean why would both stories walk all over one another?
    I'm not a regular visitor to Infowasr, it just happened that was just one of the links I provided. I could have posted two dozen links. It was Time magazine who originally broke the story not Infowars or some other news source that's not in the Obama camp.

    All Infowars did was a copy and paste from a source of other news sources. Basically Time magazine and Fox News.

    Now you weren't expecting MSNBC to being carrying the story did you ? They would be onboard with the rest of the MSM who have been giving Obama a complete pass for over six years and denying the story.

    The Pentagon or the military are told what to say by the CnC. That's the way it works.

    I think the memo from Panetta to Adm. McRaven that Time magazine got it's hands onto speaks for itself.

    If you're going to continue attacking the messenger instead of the message you're going to find yourself in 2016 being either misinformed or uniformed when you go to the polls. And you see how that worked out for America back in 2008 and 2012.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I'm not a regular visitor to Infowasr, it just happened that was just one of the links I provided. I could have posted two dozen links. It was Time magazine who originally broke the story not Infowars or some other news source that's not in the Obama camp.

    All Infowars did was a copy and paste from a source of other news sources. Basically Time magazine and Fox News.

    Now you weren't expecting MSNBC to being carrying the story did you ? They would be onboard with the rest of the MSM who have been giving Obama a complete pass for over six years and denying the story.

    The Pentagon or the military are told what to say by the CnC. That's the way it works.

    I think the memo from Panetta to Adm. McRaven that Time magazine got it's hands onto speaks for itself.

    If you're going to continue attacking the messenger instead of the message you're going to find yourself in 2016 being either misinformed or uniformed when you go to the polls. And you see how that worked out for America back in 2008 and 2012.
    Well until you can find the Time story, all I have to go by is infowars.com. And that isn't much to me.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Well until you can find the Time story, all I have to go by is infowars.com. And that isn't much to me.
    Bob, you seem to be a googling type of guy, google it.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Bob, you seem to be a googling type of guy, google it.
    No. Really. I insist. You said it was from Time magazine. Please guide me to it, OK?
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I really tought there was about 2000 in the green zone, regardless I was talking past tense at the time, note "Why did we ever"
    Ask Congress they are the ones that approved "Why did we ever"
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    You should appreciate that I'm disclosing a more complete picture than many others would.

    I'm not sure if I'd call 3% up in approval 8% down in disapproval a MUCH better opinion.
    I'm not sure I'd call that a good interpretation of the data.

    The "global medians" chart you posted earlier shows 7% up in approval and 9% down in disapproval from 2008 (Shrub) to 2012 (Obama).

    The "Europe medians" chart shows approval 18% up and disapproval 32% down for the same period.
    Whatever the British think it's obviously not reflected in the rest of Europe - but what can we expect from a country who jumped in bed with Shrub to go to war on a trumped up charge?

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/161201/le...worldwide.aspx


    So much for "appreciating your disclosure" - more like recognizing your lies and half-truths.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    No. Really. I insist. You said it was from Time magazine. Please guide me to it, OK?
    Well I have to be careful, don't want to get infracted or receive a warning for using a link that requires a subscription like Time magazine does.

    I can swear I provided a link to International Business Times. Let's see how I can do this.

    Here's Times magazine original story from April 26, 2012 with a link to the full story for those who are subscribers. -> The Last Days of Osama bin Laden | TIME.com

    Here's the link to International Business Times who are subscribers to Time magazine just like Infowars and many other news websites are.

    CIA Memo Released: Obama Relied On Admiral Bill McRaven To Kill Bin Laden [TRANSCRIPT]
    http://www.ibtimes.com/cia-memo-rele...nscript-693506

    Now it you look at IBTimes and Infowars articles posted on 27th of April, they almost look identical.
    Each is opinionated.
    >" The memo also shows that Obama was not in charge of operation strategy as the mission was being carried out. Panetta noted that the timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands..."<



    But the best source are the Navy SEAL's who were on the raid. Their story doesn't even come close to Obama's or the Obama White House story. And what was their biggest concerned ? That they don't like Obama being their CnC and might have helped get Obama reelected.

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