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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    He was president for 6 months when that happened and there is plenty of blame to go around for Clinton and Bush. You have to admit after that we had zero attacks.As bias and partisan you have to give President Bush credit for that.
    Or give the terrorists credit for no new attacks. They were not looking to bombard the USofA into rubble but get our attention so we would bring the fight to them. Which we did. The WTC attack succeeded beyond their wildest dream, but they had no follow-on attacks in the works to take advantage of the fear and confusion 9-11 caused.

    For all the BushII team showed us pop bottle bombs and talk of homemade saran, ricin, and crop duster spray attacks there simply wasn't any second wave of terrorists ready to attack the USofA. The anthrax scare was real but the suspects were bio-defense scientists. Been Hiding miscalculated the response time of our Military and the loyalty of the Taliban warlords.

    Now when the 'near' war was hopping the terrorists coming to America were very hit and miss, the most 'effective' were set-up by the FBI. The focus on the terrorists seemed to be more isolate us from our allies, the London attacks, the Spanish train bombs and the like.

    These days the wars overseas are winding down and the misguided drone attacks are creating a backlash for those thinking this is more a war on Islam than terrorists, and many in here call for just such a war, we have a few home grown terrorists, deadly but not on the scale of 9-11.

    But I think many miss the focus of the Islamic terrorists, they don't want to 'destroy the great satan', they NEED a great satan. But they want the USofA to get out of the way as the terrorists work in their homelands.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Bin Laden was probably out of the loop just as Obama was.

    Navy SEAL's were stood down three times. Scuttlebutt is that it was Valerie Jarrett telling Obama not to do it fearing it would jepordise Obama's reelection. Eventually Obama threw the whole mess in Leon Pannetta's lap and he dumped in on Admiral. McRaven's lap. It was Adm. McRaven who ordered ther SEAL's to go in, not Obama. Obama wasn't even notified until the MH-60's were entering Pakistan air space.

    » Pentagon Disputes Claim that Memo Gave Obama Cover in Case of bin Laden Raid Failure Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

    The "gutsy order" and the handwritten memo.

    >" The memo in question is apparently the April 2011 hand-written memo from Panetta to Naval Special Operations Cmdr. Adm. Bill McRaven -- the letter was first obtained by Time magazine, and later confirmed by Fox News. It instructed McRaven to execute the raid on bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, only according to the “risk profile” presented to Obama and to relay additional risk-related information to the president before proceeding.

    “The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven’s hands,” the memo states.


    Mukasey did not back down from his claim....

    “You better believe if anything else had been encountered and the mission had failed, then the blame would have fallen on McRaven,” Mukasey, appointed attorney general in 2007 under the George W. Bush administration, told Fox News on Monday night. “That’s what that is about.”..."<
    Panetta drafted a letter to blame someone else, if the bin Laden mission failed - Topic



    And it was Leon Panetta who acknowledge that the intelligence that led to Bin Laden was gathered during the Bush administration with the starboarding of the mastermind and the one who organized, trained and over saw the operations of the 9-11-01 attacks on America, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
    First, I would hate to be any top military brass that acted like they were President. The President is Chief Executive Officer; it doesn't get any higher than that. And, nothing against you, Apacherat, but I wouldn't believe Alex Jones if my life depended on it. Sorry.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    At least now you know AQ is not on its heels or decimated.
    As I said, apparently you never bothered to actually read what I posted, or you couldn't understand it.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    First, I would hate to be any top military brass that acted like they were President. The President is Chief Executive Officer; it doesn't get any higher than that. And, nothing against you, Apacherat, but I wouldn't believe Alex Jones if my life depended on it. Sorry.
    How about the Navy SEAL's who were on the mission ?

    I wonder if the four Americans who were murdered in Benghazi on 9-11-12 depended on Obama as CnC ?

    Who was really in charge and calling the shots when Navy SEAL's went in and got Bin Laden. The incompetent Commander in Chief or a four star admiral ?

    CIA Memo: Admiral, Not Obama,
    In Charge of Bin Laden Raid


    >" Approximately one year after the extermination of Osama bin Laden, a memo written by former CIA Director Leon Panetta has been obtained, revealing that President Obama was not, in fact, in charge of operation strategy in the hunt for the terrorist mastermind.

    Panetta received a call from National Security Officer Tom Donilon confirming that President Obama had made the decision to "proceed with the assault" on bin Laden's compound in Pakistan after assessing a risk profile. However, the memo, released by Time Magazine, states that "the timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands."

    "The direction is to go in and get bin Laden, and if he is not there, get out," read the memo. It does not clarify whether the intention was to kill bin Laden or to capture him.

    However, the memo also shows that President Obama was not in charge of operation strategy as the mission was being carried out. Rather, Panetta noted that, "the timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands."

    “The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration," said the memo.

    President Obama has said that the decision was one of the “gutsiest calls of any president in recent memory.” However, it seems that the “gutsy call,” was actually made by Admiral William McRaven, head of the Joint Special Operations Command.

    Two days after the memo was written, bin Laden was exterminated by a team of Navy SEAL commandos..."<

    CIA Memo: Admiral, Not Obama, In Charge of Bin Laden Raid

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    If the military aint killing terrorist, why aint they home? Why did we ever go to Iraq?
    Our military is not in Iraq, Obama pulled out all the troupes and left the country to be infested with AQ. The next new AQ hot bed.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I know that the only massive Al-Qaeda attack on the USA happened while G.W. Bush was in the White House.
    Your right it was in his watch. Same as the first US credit downgrade in US history was while Obama was in office. Same as the largest expansion of our national debt was while Obama was in office. Same as more people are on food stamps than in US history was while Obama was in office. Do you want me to go on. I could fill a bed sheet of Liar Obama US history firsts while Obama was in office.

    Speaking of Liar Obama, he is the first president in US History to get the Liar of the Year Award during Obama's watch.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Or give the terrorists credit for no new attacks. They were not looking to bombard the USofA into rubble but get our attention so we would bring the fight to them. Which we did. The WTC attack succeeded beyond their wildest dream, but they had no follow-on attacks in the works to take advantage of the fear and confusion 9-11 caused.

    For all the BushII team showed us pop bottle bombs and talk of homemade saran, ricin, and crop duster spray attacks there simply wasn't any second wave of terrorists ready to attack the USofA. The anthrax scare was real but the suspects were bio-defense scientists. Been Hiding miscalculated the response time of our Military and the loyalty of the Taliban warlords.

    Now when the 'near' war was hopping the terrorists coming to America were very hit and miss, the most 'effective' were set-up by the FBI. The focus on the terrorists seemed to be more isolate us from our allies, the London attacks, the Spanish train bombs and the like.

    These days the wars overseas are winding down and the misguided drone attacks are creating a backlash for those thinking this is more a war on Islam than terrorists, and many in here call for just such a war, we have a few home grown terrorists, deadly but not on the scale of 9-11.

    But I think many miss the focus of the Islamic terrorists, they don't want to 'destroy the great satan', they NEED a great satan. But they want the USofA to get out of the way as the terrorists work in their homelands.
    I believe Obama has already done that. But first he had to throw our allies we had in that part of the world under the bus and allow Al Qaeda to expand and run all over the Middle East and North Africa and now can be found operating in almost every country in the Middle East and North Africa.

    In 2002 Al Qaeda had fled Afghanistan and by the end of 2008 Al Qaeda was confined to Yemen, N/W Pakistan and the Horn of Africa.

    Obama's cover up for five years of foreign policies failures is saying that we are pivoting our attentions to the western Pacific rim. Let see how that one works out in the next three years.

    The Al Qaeda of 2001 isn't the same Al Qaeda of today. But according to the CIA the Al Qaeda today is larger and more dangerous today able to work freely all over the Middle East and Africa. This all happened under Obama's watch.

    Of the top ten leaders of Al Qaeda on 9-11-01, #2 through #9 were either killed or captured during the Bush administration. #1 (Bin Laden) and #10 were killed during the Obama administration.

    Many intelligence services said that Bin Laden was forced into retirement from Al Qaeda by 2003 or 2004. The Al Qaeda of 2001 was no more by 2006.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    He was president for 6 months when that happened and there is plenty of blame to go around for Clinton and Bush. You have to admit after that we had zero attacks.As bias and partisan you have to give President Bush credit for that.
    Do you give Obama credit for keeping us safe as well NP?
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    There is a difference between being tough and talking tough. Obama leads through leadership...George W. "Bring it on" Bush was a trash talking cowboy wannabe. The world has much more respect for the US today than they did under the previous administration.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    I really tought there was about 2000 in the green zone, regardless I was talking past tense at the time, note "Why did we ever"
    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Our military is not in Iraq, Obama pulled out all the troupes and left the country to be infested with AQ. The next new AQ hot bed.
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