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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Really? I just wonder what bin Laden was thinking while President Obama was watching him get killed by a Navy Seal bullet? Did you ever ask yourself why George Bush wasn't sitting behind that monitor watching that? How's that for boots on the ground?

    Here's what he probably planned to write for that last Fatwa: نهاية
    Bin Laden was probably out of the loop just as Obama was.

    Navy SEAL's were stood down three times. Scuttlebutt is that it was Valerie Jarrett telling Obama not to do it fearing it would jepordise Obama's reelection. Eventually Obama threw the whole mess in Leon Pannetta's lap and he dumped in on Admiral. McRaven's lap. It was Adm. McRaven who ordered ther SEAL's to go in, not Obama. Obama wasn't even notified until the MH-60's were entering Pakistan air space.

    » Pentagon Disputes Claim that Memo Gave Obama Cover in Case of bin Laden Raid Failure Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

    The "gutsy order" and the handwritten memo.

    >" The memo in question is apparently the April 2011 hand-written memo from Panetta to Naval Special Operations Cmdr. Adm. Bill McRaven -- the letter was first obtained by Time magazine, and later confirmed by Fox News. It instructed McRaven to execute the raid on bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, only according to the “risk profile” presented to Obama and to relay additional risk-related information to the president before proceeding.

    “The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven’s hands,” the memo states.


    Mukasey did not back down from his claim....

    “You better believe if anything else had been encountered and the mission had failed, then the blame would have fallen on McRaven,” Mukasey, appointed attorney general in 2007 under the George W. Bush administration, told Fox News on Monday night. “That’s what that is about.”..."<
    Panetta drafted a letter to blame someone else, if the bin Laden mission failed - Topic



    And it was Leon Panetta who acknowledge that the intelligence that led to Bin Laden was gathered during the Bush administration with the starboarding of the mastermind and the one who organized, trained and over saw the operations of the 9-11-01 attacks on America, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    I don't think you're in danger of being invaded any time soon.

    Economically and politically, we could argue forever. There's no definitive baseline for comparison. The question is too ambiguous.
    The question was not if we are in danger of being invaded.

    The question was very specific, even if you dont want to answer it as such.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    We just had a poll posted about 10 most admired people in the world by nation. It was brought in by a CON because Oxcy Rush beat Hillary in the USofA poll. I'm sure you saw it. In EVERY nation BushII didn't make the list, any list, outside the USofA. In the UK where he was much 'admired' and they were our partner in the Iraq debacle BushII couldn't break the top 30...

    If you define 'weaker' as not reckless then yeah ya got it Sparky!

    Obama seems damned if he does and damned if he doesn't when it comes to overseas intervention. While some mindless hawks rant about Putin in Syria, the result is Putin backed down and world war was averted- even though a long line of CONS tried to make the incident out to what happened in Aug 1914.

    Obama isn't weak, he just isn't a shoot from the lip, ex-cheerleader, legacy bratt.
    You cite one poll. Most admired is not the same as approval.
    Bush trumps Obama and has for some time. Odd that MSNBC would leave that out.

    Putin backed down in Syria? Assad is still in power, Putin still gets to sell him weapons, and Obama looked like a chump when he had to back down. Where do you get your news?

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The question was not if we are in danger of being invaded.

    The question was very specific, even if you dont want to answer it as such.
    I thought it was apropos, given the usual 'sky is falling' paranoia and the silly anti-Obama slant.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    I thought it was apropos, given the usual 'sky is falling' paranoia and the silly anti-Obama slant.
    The left does not like to be pinned down with facts. Its their nature.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You cite one poll. Most admired is not the same as approval.
    Bush trumps Obama and has for some time. Odd that MSNBC would leave that out.

    Putin backed down in Syria? Assad is still in power, Putin still gets to sell him weapons, and Obama looked like a chump when he had to back down. Where do you get your news?
    I have a feeling you're one of those US Conservatives that would damn him whatever he did. If he determined and achieved the deposition of Assad, you'd condemn him for kow-towing to the Saudis and being a secret AQ supporter.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Hmm, the day of his election various countries released statements along the lines of "We are pleased to see that we can work with the US again." So yeah, i think GW managed to isolate the country with such polarizing tactics as "You're with us or against us" and "freedom fries."

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The left does not like to be pinned down with facts. Its their nature.
    Were there any forthcoming, we might have some basis for discussion. As it is, we have only the usual weariness.

    And its the 'nature' of both Cons and Libs to deny that which doesn't suit their respective agendas. You're all stuck in the Wings. Happily, I don't labour beneath such grand delusions.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    if "weaker" means less of a perceived empirical "superpower," i hope so. we have been the first world's pro bono army for more than half a a century now, and it's time to go back to being a country. it is someone else's turn to bankrupt itself on global police actions while we fix our damned bridges and improve the lives of average working citizens.

    every empire collapses. some countries endure. seems like it's better for us to be a country.
    This sentiment is what worries us in Britain so much. We understand, better than anyone, what it is to be an empire besieged, and what it looks like when the time comes to give up the mantle of world leader and focus on your country instead -- this is what we did after the Second World War. After nearly four hundred years of empire, and two centuries of being the world superpower, it was time to change.

    But the US has had so little time in the spotlight, comparatively. Only since 1918 have you been a power, only since 1945 have you been a superpower, and only since 1991 -- so soon! -- have you been THE world power. It's barely two decades later, and you're ready to give up?

    To whom? The Chinese? The Indians? You want them ruling us? Europe has carried the torch of Western civilisation for eons, and now our colonies, like the US, Canada, Australia, Mexico, are finally mature enough to help shoulder some of this great weight. In a very grandiose sense, don't abandon us and turn inwards, not yet.

    America has the resources and the people and the culture to be at the forefront yet. Don't give up your chance because it is tough -- most cultures never get a second shot at being the superpower (to my memory, I can only think of a few that have risen and fallen more than once). Where is the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth now? How extensive is the Spanish Empire?

    This may all seem too airy and philosophical, but I think it is a very real commitment that American citizens must make -- to your country, and more widely to our shared Western civilisation -- if the continued dominance of the West is to be true of this century.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    This sentiment is what worries us in Britain so much. We understand, better than anyone, what it is to be an empire besieged, and what it looks like when the time comes to give up the mantle of world leader and focus on your country instead -- this is what we did after the Second World War. After nearly four hundred years of empire, and two centuries of being the world superpower, it was time to change.

    But the US has had so little time in the spotlight, comparatively. Only since 1918 have you been a power, only since 1945 have you been a superpower, and only since 1991 -- so soon! -- have you been THE world power. It's barely two decades later, and you're ready to give up?

    To whom? The Chinese? The Indians? You want them ruling us? Europe has carried the torch of Western civilisation for eons, and now our colonies, like the US, Canada, Australia, Mexico, are finally mature enough to help shoulder some of this great weight. In a very grandiose sense, don't abandon us and turn inwards, not yet.

    America has the resources and the people and the culture to be at the forefront yet. Don't give up your chance because it is tough -- most cultures never get a second shot at being the superpower (to my memory, I can only think of a few that have risen and fallen more than once). Where is the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth now? How extensive is the Spanish Empire?

    This may all seem too airy and philosophical, but I think it is a very real commitment that American citizens must make -- to your country, and more widely to our shared Western civilisation -- if the continued dominance of the West is to be true of this century.
    Yes, I absolutely want us to just be a country again. As for who takes over, my guess is China.

    We're bankrupt. Our **** is falling apart. No other country is paying taxes for our global police actions. ****, we're not even paying taxes for our global police actions. The job market sucks, and it costs twenty five grand just for the privilege of having a mild heart attack. I cut my thumb a month ago. Two cm; they superglued it shut. Fifteen hundred bucks, and my share of that is nine hundred. I'm told that we can't afford to put everyone on medicare, but somehow we can afford any new global police mission.

    So soon? We should have abdicated from imperialism decades ago. Look at all of these wars. Look at the consequences.

    I sympathize with the rest of the free world. I am well aware of our negative image, as well. But at some point, if the first world wants an army, it needs to build and fund one. We can't afford it anymore, and we need to focus on non - military activities until our house is in order.

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