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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Agreed. Not only did I see it coming, I actually spoke about it being the inevitable, right here at Debate Politics, many years ago.

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    You and I are on the same page. I also posted comments about this many times.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    You and I are on the same page. I also posted comments about this many times.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Yeah. They probably thought that Bill Clinton was in charge when they hit the WTC in New York and the Pentagon in DC, right?
    He was president for 6 months when that happened and there is plenty of blame to go around for Clinton and Bush. You have to admit after that we had zero attacks.As bias and partisan you have to give President Bush credit for that.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Try and keep things correct, firstly Obama said that the core leadership has been decimated during debates with Mitt Romney and later he said:

    while “core al-Qaeda is on its heels, has been decimated,” it has “metastasized” into regional groups that threaten the United States on a smaller scale than the original terror organization.

    Also, just because groups call themselves or operate in civil war struggles under the name Al Qaeda, does not make them terrorist groups that belong to the core terrorist organization called Al Qaeda.
    Are you kidding me. "On it keels, has been decimated" AQ is around the word and it is gaining strength, hardly on it's keels or decimated.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    He was president for 6 months when that happened and there is plenty of blame to go around for Clinton and Bush. You have to admit after that we had zero attacks.As bias and partisan you have to give President Bush credit for that.
    Oh. I'm didn't begin the blame game, Sir. You were alluding to while President Bush was President there were no terrorists attacks. Well like it or not, Bush was President when that happened. Why didn't the terrorists wait until Bush started his tenure before they attacked? Could it be they thought he was weaker? Is it possible they were running late? Who knows, right?

    The fact of the matter is George did the right thing and took the fight to them--Afghanistan. But once it began he told us that Osama bin Laden could run but he can't hide. Well guess what he did. He ran from Tora Bora when George Bush thought it would be alright to send in people that we were fighting beforehand to capture him. For some reason he slipped through and made it in to Pakistan where he successfully hid until the end of Bush's tenure and got killed by Special Forces on May 2, 2011 (I guess a person just can't trust people that you were fighting beforehand to do the job for some reason, right? )

    Eventually George Bush gave us a reason to cheer by arriving on an aircraft carrier with a sign depicting "Mission Accomplished" with press coverage and all the bells and whistles. Really? Accomplished what? Making the disease spread to other parts of the Middle East?

    Further down the road during a press conference George tells us just how much he is not worried about Osama anymore and how much he felt him to be irrelevant to the big picture. Meanwhile Osama is probably still orchestrating more insane, skullduggery from that comfortable house in Pakistan. Wasn't George Bush assured that the Pakistani government had their full support on Bush's cause or something like that? Well apparently it's hard to find the most wanted man in the world right in the middle of one of the most popular towns in Pakistan for their military, right?

    Now permit me to return to whether it was Bush's fault or Clinton's. Here's my take on it. That madness would have went down even if Al Gore would have won the Presidency.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Are you kidding me. "On it keels, has been decimated" AQ is around the word and it is gaining strength, hardly on it's keels or decimated.
    As a centralized organization, it has been decimated. AQ is now largely comprised of regional cells that are only affiliated with each other in the sense that they refer to themselves as "Al Qaeda." Which is basically what was bound to happen after we spent 12 years playing whack-a-mole in Afghanistan and Pakistan with its leadership.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Yeah. They probably thought that Bill Clinton was in charge when they hit the WTC in New York and the Pentagon in DC, right?
    If you have ever read Osama bin Laden's first Fatwa, Bin Laden decided to hit the WTC because of President Clinton being looked at as a paper tiger. Basically because of Clinton talking loudly and not carrying a big stick, Bin Laden believed G.W. Bush was also a pantywaist. Bin Laden was wrong, Bush invaded Afghanistan.

    Bin Laden's own words:

    >" But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international force, including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However, when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became very clear. It was a pleasure for the "heart" of every Muslim and a remedy to the "chests" of believing nations to see you defeated in the three Islamic cities of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu..."<

    Bin Laden's Fatwa | PBS NewsHour | Aug. 23, 1996 | PBS

    Bin Laden believed that the only response by America after the 9-11-01 attacks on American soil would only be the launching of a hundred Tomahawk cruise missiles and avoiding collateral damage. That would have probably been Clinton's response if he was still POTOS. Clinton like Obama uses unmanned aircraft and don't put boots on the ground without politically correct rules of engagement that favor the enemy and causes Americans soldiers to bleed and die.

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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    As a centralized organization, it has been decimated. AQ is now largely comprised of regional cells that are only affiliated with each other in the sense that they refer to themselves as "Al Qaeda." Which is basically what was bound to happen after we spent 12 years playing whack-a-mole in Afghanistan and Pakistan with its leadership.
    Describe AQ anyway you want. AQ is alive and well and growing and they all hate us. These little regional cells you call them that are on their heels and decimated killed 4 of our own in our own embassy and not one has been brought to justice. Obama had to lie about Benghazi to get reelected, stating it was a video. Liar Obama just can't tell the truth and you now tell me what Liar Obama has told you and of course you believe him. Further Iraq is now a hot bed for AQ and there it is no small regional cell.

    Read this and tell me their just regional cells on their heels and are decimated.

    Al Qaeda allies take over Fallujah, Iraq | News | DW.DE | 04.01.2014
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Describe AQ anyway you want. AQ is alive and well and growing and they all hate us. These little regional cells you call them that are on their heels and decimated killed 4 of our own in our own embassy and not one has been brought to justice. Obama had to lie about Benghazi to get reelected, stating it was a video. Liar Obama just can't tell the truth and you now tell me what Liar Obama has told you and of course you believe him. Further Iraq is now a hot bed for AQ and there it is no small regional cell.

    Read this and tell me their just regional cells on their heels and are decimated.

    Al Qaeda allies take over Fallujah, Iraq | News | DW.DE | 04.01.2014
    Apparently you didn't read what I posted. Not surprising.
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    Re: Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    If you have ever read Osama bin Laden's first Fatwa, Bin Laden decided to hit the WTC because of President Clinton being looked at as a paper tiger. Basically because of Clinton talking loudly and not carrying a big stick, Bin Laden believed G.W. Bush was also a pantywaist. Bin Laden was wrong, Bush invaded Afghanistan.

    Bin Laden's own words:

    >" But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international force, including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However, when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became very clear. It was a pleasure for the "heart" of every Muslim and a remedy to the "chests" of believing nations to see you defeated in the three Islamic cities of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu..."<

    Bin Laden's Fatwa | PBS NewsHour | Aug. 23, 1996 | PBS

    Bin Laden believed that the only response by America after the 9-11-01 attacks on American soil would only be the launching of a hundred Tomahawk cruise missiles and avoiding collateral damage. That would have probably been Clinton's response if he was still POTOS. Clinton like Obama uses unmanned aircraft and don't put boots on the ground without politically correct rules of engagement that favor the enemy and causes Americans soldiers to bleed and die.
    Really? I just wonder what bin Laden was thinking while President Obama was watching him get killed by a Navy Seal bullet? Did you ever ask yourself why George Bush wasn't sitting behind that monitor watching that? How's that for boots on the ground?

    Here's what he probably planned to write for that last Fatwa: نهاية
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