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Thread: Should 13 y.o. boys be allowed to consent to hetero-sex w/adult women?

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    Re: Should 13 y.o. boys be allowed to consent to hetero-sex w/adult women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Age of consent is always a tricky subject because it is attempting to gauge maturity based on just a person's age. Obviously, people vary a lot more than that. But it comes down to averages. There might be some 13 year olds (of either sex) who are capable of making fully informed decisions about sexual activity, but most probably are not. The reason for prohibiting adults from having sex with minors but not other minors is because adults are far more capable of influencing minors into exploitative relationships. The balance of power is just too far in one direction. I think if we had completely effective and always used birth control and disease protection, there would be more room for variation, but we don't. And it is harsher for girls. There's really no way around that. Pregnancy is a danger that males simply will not have to face.

    It's a tricky and complex subject, but on the whole, no. 13 year olds cannot reasonably be assumed to be able to consent to sex with adults.
    I like your post until I get to the last sentence. Please explain how a 13yo can consent to sex with another teen, but not with an adult. That part is just stupid, imo.
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    Re: Should 13 y.o. boys be allowed to consent to hetero-sex w/adult women?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Many states have very complicated age-related laws when it comes to pedophilia. A 13-year-old who has sex with a 14-year-old is a very different kettle of fish than a 13-year-old having sex with a 40-year-old. I see the sense in that. You don't?
    No, either he/she can consent, or he/she can't consent. It doesn't make any sense that the ability to consent is determined by the person you consent with. Makes no sense at all, regardless of the laws' attempt to make it sensible.
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    Re: Should 13 y.o. boys be allowed to consent to hetero-sex w/adult women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    No, either he/she can consent, or he/she can't consent. It doesn't make any sense that the ability to consent is determined by the person you consent with. Makes no sense at all, regardless of the laws' attempt to make it sensible.

    Actually there is sense in the Romeo and Juliet laws. If a 13yo and a 14yo have sex, who do you charge with Statutory rape? They're both technically unable to 'consent'.

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    Re: Should 13 y.o. boys be allowed to consent to hetero-sex w/adult women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And it is harsher for girls.
    Which is why I specifically referenced it as boys having sex with adult women. Males are less likely to get an STD, and the boy certainly won't have to worry about pregnancy. The balls in her court, no pun intended.
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    Re: Should 13 y.o. boys be allowed to consent to hetero-sex w/adult women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I like your post until I get to the last sentence. Please explain how a 13yo can consent to sex with another teen, but not with an adult. That part is just stupid, imo.
    Because adults have far more coercive power. Why can't a student have sex with their teacher? Because the teacher has control over their education and grades. Most kids obey adults as a general rule. They have to. They don't have control over anything themselves. They can't house themselves, clothe themselves, feed themselves. They are dependent on adults. And it is extreme naive to think that only parents exert that kind of control over kids. Every adult does. And allowing adults to use that power to leverage sex from minors... that makes room for far too much abuse.
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    Re: Should 13 y.o. boys be allowed to consent to hetero-sex w/adult women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Actually there is sense in the Romeo and Juliet laws. If a 13yo and a 14yo have sex, who do you charge with Statutory rape? They're both technically unable to 'consent'.
    Both, or neither. But then that should also be the case if the partner is a consensually chosen adult. Please note, the term consensual. Personally I think that 13 should be the age to legally consent for boys and girls.
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    Re: Should 13 y.o. boys be allowed to consent to hetero-sex w/adult women?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Which is why I specifically referenced it as boys having sex with adult women. Males are less likely to get an STD, and the boy certainly won't have to worry about pregnancy. The balls in her court, no pun intended.


    Males are less likely to get an STD? News to me, if true. I have my doubts.

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    Re: Should 13 y.o. boys be allowed to consent to hetero-sex w/adult women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Because adults have far more coercive power. Why can't a student have sex with their teacher? Because the teacher has control over their education and grades. Most kids obey adults as a general rule. They have to. They don't have control over anything themselves. They can't house themselves, clothe themselves, feed themselves. They are dependent on adults. And it is extreme naive to think that only parents exert that kind of control over kids. Every adult does. And allowing adults to use that power to leverage sex from minors... that makes room for far too much abuse.
    I agree with the idea that a teacher can be coersive, but so can the cheerleader or quarterback. Secondly, you don't seem to know any 13 year olds. By 13 they are WAAAAYYYY past being "obedient" in any way whatsoever. Lastly, I said consensual, not coerced.
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    Re: Should 13 y.o. boys be allowed to consent to hetero-sex w/adult women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Because adults have far more coercive power. Why can't a student have sex with their teacher? Because the teacher has control over their education and grades. Most kids obey adults as a general rule. They have to. They don't have control over anything themselves. They can't house themselves, clothe themselves, feed themselves. They are dependent on adults. And it is extreme naive to think that only parents exert that kind of control over kids. Every adult does. And allowing adults to use that power to leverage sex from minors... that makes room for far too much abuse.
    I'm all for teachers not having sex with students because of the nature of authority wielded. If some bored housewife wants to get with the neighbor kid more power to them.
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    Re: Should 13 y.o. boys be allowed to consent to hetero-sex w/adult women?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Many states have very complicated age-related laws when it comes to pedophilia. A 13-year-old who has sex with a 14-year-old is a very different kettle of fish than a 13-year-old having sex with a 40-year-old. I see the sense in that. You don't?
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