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13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

Should 13 be the legal age of full adult/rights & do you think its equal to 18yrs old

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Perotista said:
1.)Nothing to be sorry about. I just think so much depends on what we are talking about, no 13 year old should be driving on the highways
2.) now driving a tractor planting, picking, harvesting, baling, that is something different.
3.) I have no problem with 16 year old working in a factory but not 13.
4.) But I have no problem with 13 year old having their own gun, like I said I had mine at the age of 10.
5.)But there are a bunch of 21 year and older I sure wouldn't like them having a gun.
6.)In my world so much depends on the individual and their maturity.
7.) I know we must have age limits especially when dealing with the law. But I see having different ages when the young are able to attain certain privileges depending on the privilege and in responsibility.
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1.) i might agree depending on the age, for me i dont really see anything that should be allowed to a 13yr old that already isnt, at least of the top of my head
2.) yes i agree with some stipulation. i have no problem with a PARENT allowing thier 13 year old to do that and it being legal but i would support if John deere said that thier tractor was for 16yrold and up only ridding them of any legality that can be proved to be caused by the incompetence of the user. But if the thing randomly blows up then yes John deere pays.
3.) this i also agree on, if the company opens thier doors to them and they have parental approval im fine with it as long as the company follows the child labor laws which should also have an OUT from to.

Meaning that the 16 yr olds job should be in jeopardy if he cant work 40 a week cause he is going to school BUT if he gets home schooled or something and his parents allow him to work 40 they that thier choice.

4.) this i would need more info to agree on. In general, you own lots of property and your 13 yr old has a rifle, fine. WOuld i ever give a 13 yr old the ablity to open or conceal carry off thier property with no supervision? hellllllll no lol

5.) agree

6.) i agree to a degree on this also but the mind of a 13 yr old is not fully developed and supervision of some sort even if minimal is needed, a clear headed, super mature 13yr old today can electrocute himself or run his sister over with the traktor tomorrow

7.) i can agree with this too
 
American said:
But that truth doesn't prove that 13 years are grown up enough.
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The 13-year old girls of today are a different breed from those of a few dozen years ago, IMO. I don't know if it's the "Miley Cyrus Syndrome," but they tend to want to copy her, and others like her, so a lot of them dress and use makeup far in advance of their years. When shopping at the mall, it's sometimes difficult to tell how old they really are, and while they appear to be older than 13, they're not mentally grown up yet, by any means, judging from the giggling and other silly things they do. Ironically, in the future, those girls will attempt to look younger than they are, rather than older! :mrgreen: The 13-year-old boys still act like the kids they are, though.

Greetings, American. :2wave:
 
AGENT J said:
1.) i might agree depending on the age, for me i dont really see anything that should be allowed to a 13yr old that already isnt, at least of the top of my head
2.) yes i agree with some stipulation. i have no problem with a PARENT allowing thier 13 year old to do that and it being legal but i would support if John deere said that thier tractor was for 16yrold and up only ridding them of any legality that can be proved to be caused by the incompetence of the user. But if the thing randomly blows up then yes John deere pays.
3.) this i also agree on, if the company opens thier doors to them and they have parental approval im fine with it as long as the company follows the child labor laws which should also have an OUT from to.

Meaning that the 16 yr olds job should be in jeopardy if he cant work 40 a week cause he is going to school BUT if he gets home schooled or something and his parents allow him to work 40 they that thier choice.

4.) this i would need more info to agree on. In general, you own lots of property and your 13 yr old has a rifle, fine. WOuld i ever give a 13 yr old the ablity to open or conceal carry off thier property with no supervision? hellllllll no lol

5.) agree

6.) i agree to a degree on this also but the mind of a 13 yr old is not fully developed and supervision of some sort even if minimal is needed, a clear headed, super mature 13yr old today can electrocute himself or run his sister over with the traktor tomorrow

7.) i can agree with this too
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I wasn't talking about carrying an hand gun or getting a concealed carry permit. My dad gave me a .410 shotgun at 10, I still have it 57 years later. We also lived out on a farm and had a good 20 acres or more of woods to hunt in. I was well schooled I the safety of guns by that age and apparently my dad thought mature enough to have one of my own. Times have changed and so too has society. Today I am not sure even at 18 with the concealed carry permit if 21 might not be the better age. That is unless the individual is on the police force or in the military.

Back when I was young a lot of farm kids quit school at 16 to work full time on the farm or go work in town in a factory or such. Of course back then not that many kids went on to college, at least where I was brought up at. Only the best and brightest or the richest. Tractors back in those days were much smaller, no John Deere for us, just a small Farmall. But it was enough.
 
Perotista said:
1.)I wasn't talking about carrying an hand gun or getting a concealed carry permit. My dad gave me a .410 shotgun at 10, I still have it 57 years later. We also lived out on a farm and had a good 20 acres or more of woods to hunt in. I was well schooled I the safety of guns by that age and apparently my dad thought mature enough to have one of my own. Times have changed and so too has society.
2.) Today I am not sure even at 18 with the concealed carry permit if 21 might not be the better age.
3.)That is unless the individual is on the police force or in the military.

4.) Back when I was young a lot of farm kids quit school at 16 to work full time on the farm or go work in town in a factory or such. Of course back then not that many kids went on to college, at least where I was brought up at. Only the best and brightest or the richest. Tractors back in those days were much smaller, no John Deere for us, just a small Farmall. But it was enough.
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1.) and that im ok with on your own property or with supervision for hunting
2.) for concealed it is 21, at least it is in PA it may vary throughout the states though
3.) agree
4.) again this is why i would want the law to have a out giving the power to the 16yr old/parent and not the emplyee
 
AGENT J said:
1.) and that im ok with on your own property or with supervision for hunting
2.) for concealed it is 21, at least it is in PA it may vary throughout the states though
3.) agree
4.) again this is why i would want the law to have a out giving the power to the 16yr old/parent and not the emplyee
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I agree, when it comes to work at 16 it should be left to the kid and/or the parents. The carry permit is 21 years in Georgia too. We recognize PA carry permits and PA recognizes ours.
 
I'm not advocating the total shift of age from 18 to 13, but I do think that people are ready for adulthood before 18 regularly.
 
Perotista said:
I agree, when it comes to work at 16 it should be left to the kid and/or the parents. The carry permit is 21 years in Georgia too. We recognize PA carry permits and PA recognizes ours.
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yes this is true :)
 
Perotista said:
I agree, when it comes to work at 16 it should be left to the kid and/or the parents. The carry permit is 21 years in Georgia too. We recognize PA carry permits and PA recognizes ours.
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ON a side note i think ALL states should be open carry and CWP should be national like a Drivers license, some states are simply infringing on individual rights and freedoms.

Too bad violating some of these laws are felonies somehow or i think there would be more outright open challenges.

WIsh people fought more against these state violations, like many are now fighting against SSM bans.

ok my off topic little rant is over lol
 
I don't even think most 18 year olds ought to be able to be adults, they certainly don't act like it. Hell no for 13 year olds.
 
I googled "13 year old" and this is the image that popped up. You guys really think this kid ought to be walking around downtown with a beer and a pack of smokes? Get real people.

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AGENT J said:
ON a side note i think ALL states should be open carry and CWP should be national like a Drivers license, some states are simply infringing on individual rights and freedoms.

Too bad violating some of these laws are felonies somehow or i think there would be more outright open challenges.

WIsh people fought more against these state violations, like many are now fighting against SSM bans.

ok my off topic little rant is over lol
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That made me chuckle, not a LOL, but a chuckle. I agree, gun permits and CCP should be recognized nationwide. But to be honest about it, I never thought of gun permits the same way I do or did drivers licenses. But it makes sense.

On SSM, I think the federal government should just recognize all SSM regardless of the state one resides in. That way one could go get married in D.C. and return to Georgia and still be able to receive federal benefits along with filing federal taxes jointly. At least it is my understanding one must live in a state where SSM is legal for the federal government to recognize it.
 
Perotista said:
That made me chuckle, not a LOL, but a chuckle. I agree, gun permits and CCP should be recognized nationwide. But to be honest about it, I never thought of gun permits the same way I do or did drivers licenses. But it makes sense.

On SSM, I think the federal government should just recognize all SSM regardless of the state one resides in. That way one could go get married in D.C. and return to Georgia and still be able to receive federal benefits along with filing federal taxes jointly. At least it is my understanding one must live in a state where SSM is legal for the federal government to recognize it.
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niiice

well that USED to be the case, the FED recognize ALL marriages now. All SSM marriages are FEDERALLY recognized and lawful. But there are states that are still denying rights but that won't last forever.

But the point i was getting at was its just easier to get married, naturally move around the country and then be in a state that is denying equal rights and fight for them.
Then so many natural things like hospital visitation, property rights, taxes etc can be argued and theres no laws being broke.

If i just carry my gun across the country i COULD become a felony and its hard to fight for individual rights from jail or even want to take that risk, guess thats what i was getting at. One is easier to fight for.
 
AGENT J said:
niiice

well that USED to be the case, the FED recognize ALL marriages now. All SSM marriages are FEDERALLY recognized and lawful. But there are states that are still denying rights but that won't last forever.

But the point i was getting at was its just easier to get married, naturally move around the country and then be in a state that is denying equal rights and fight for them.
Then so many natural things like hospital visitation, property rights, taxes etc can be argued and theres no laws being broke.

If i just carry my gun across the country i COULD become a felony and its hard to fight for individual rights from jail or even want to take that risk, guess thats what i was getting at. One is easier to fight for.
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I understand.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Not physically, emotionally or intellectually... other than that you are correct though.
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You have to read my other post. I wasn't arguing that they were adults.
 
AGENT J said:
Is there anybody that honestly agrees/thinks that 13 should be the legal adult age and this means TOTAL ADULT
living on thier own all rights that a 18 year old has and more
drinking
gun ownership
choice to go to school or not
work
sex
draft into war or volunteer
drive
fla a plane
etc etc

So the question is:

Should 13 be the legal age of full adult and rights and do you consider them equal to 18yr old

yes of course no doubt
yes with some concern
no but maybe 16
no thats insane
other



and if you do i would LOVE to hear any facts or sound logic backing this claim up.

being 13 once, having a large family, raising a daughter passed that point and working with 13yr olds for 11 years I personally think this idea is mentally insane, irrational, delusional and has zero logic to support it.

many 13 yr olds would kill themselves and others if treated like adults
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a 13 year old should be treated as an adult and raised accordingly period. what a difference 100 years makes. Wow seriously.
 
Arcana XV said:
No. Our society is doing everything possible to prevent kids from "growing up too fast". The result of that misguided attitude is that mental adolescence has now been extended well into the 20s and, if anything, the legal adult age should be raised not lowered.
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and that is exactly what i am fighting against
 
WCH said:
Back when we use to only live into our 40s, young teens would marry and start families, now IIRC, the 'experts' say that adults are not mature until 25 or so.
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experts aren't experts
 
Steve Ja said:
1.)a 13 year old should be treated as an adult and raised accordingly period.
2.) what a difference 100 years makes. Wow seriously.
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1.) nope never its illogical if you disagree all you have do do is give any factual or supportable logical reasons
2.) wow is right since you cant support something so absurd
 
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