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13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

Should 13 be the legal age of full adult/rights & do you think its equal to 18yrs old


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1.) no you didnt, if you did qoute yourself giving me answers but thank you for doing it now. How about how old are you and id you have anything out of the ordinary in your childhood

2.) well "i" dont have an idea of what logic is, maybe thats why your posts are totally failing, "im" going by what logic FACTUALLY is, the actual definition


Logic
a (1) : a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning
b (1) : a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty
c : interrelation or sequence of facts or events when seen as inevitable or predictable

youve provided none of this, so what is YOUR IDEA of logic?
Not that im aware of as far as ordinary. Not sure what ordinary is.
Logic to me is what makes sense to me. If it makes sense it's logical. Science, society laws, yea OK people go off that stuff. We have to follow laws, society is what makes our culture. Got it. i am far from *ordinary* and i do fall on scientific facts on some things, but that's because people say hmm have any scientific facts to back up your logic. do I really need it? If it makes sense to me, it logical, if it makes sense to me I'm gonna express it. that's the bottom line. I'm extreme in some of my views and *mainstream* in others. It's who I am.
I try to enlighten if you will, doesn't always work the 1st or even the 10th time trying at times, but i still keep goin
 
Your 'feelings' should have no impact on it unless they are based on sound science and psychology. Otherwise they would only be harmful.

You refuse to look at the data that shows adolescent brain function is not nearly the same as adult and that our laws are based on reasonable protections for minors, even if the baseline for maturity/age are not precise.

I didnt see you address this serious flaw in your 'belief' in the other thread:
So really it falls on society and how we view 13 year old and bring them up.
 
I've already mentioned the coddling we do with our children, that in fact can hinder their growth. I do not need scientific evidence to back me up. I'm perfectly OK with arguing my views without them. 13 is a totally logical age IMO. marrying off etc etc. What is marriage exactly? something we invented along the way. Is 13 done developing? No but is enough along to carry them self and provide for them self. Heck yes, easier so in modern days then even 200 years ago. what's preventing it? Society and laws. That's the bottom line. Like I said don't have to agree with it, and really not trying to argue you should. Just stating my views

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We had a health class in high school (all older than 13) where a semester-long assignment involved having to create a budget for and listing all the responsibilities for getting married and having a kid...and working it all out under that budget....job, finishing education, about how much you'd be making in 10 yrs if you finished an education vs. went right to work, had a job, a trade, or a profession (all very different), daycare, entertainment, food, clothes, medicine, rent, etc etc etc. We all got guidance (which you seem to say is all 13 yr olds need) and we all STILL gone blown out of the water. No one could make the numbers work in any reasonable fashion, unless they lived with their parents. Jobs out of high school pay little. Jobs for 13 yr olds? Arent even legal, lol.

And you know what? Everybody decided it was a really bad idea. Funny...we were smart and decided to still BE kids WHILE we were kids. Huh...at least high schoolers have a little 'judgement' when confronted with cold hard facts.

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1.) which is meaningless to saying 13 = 18.
2.) yes you do this is how debate and ot factual discussion works
3.) again you havent offered any argument
4.) one backed up with no facts and an unsupportable opinion
5.) no its not in reality and todays world, again if you disagree all you have to do is back this claim up with facts or supportable logic
6.) nope harder
7.) fact,s reality, science, mental and physical and intellectual development
8.) we know
9.) yes and you are free to do so but without support they will never be taken seriously
Because people like you are all about nope nope nope science science science. No open mind, just nope you are a crazy man.
 
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We had a health class in high school (all older than 13) where a semester-long assignment involved having to create a budget for and listing all the responsibilities for getting married and having a kid...and working it all out under that budget....job, finishing education, about how much you'd be making in 10 yrs if you finished an education vs. went right to work, had a job, a trade, or a profession (all very different), daycare, entertainment, food, clothes, medicine, rent, etc etc etc. We all got guidance (which you seem to say is all 13 yr olds need) and we all STILL gone blown out of the water. No one could make the numbers work in any reasonable fashion, unless they lived with their parents. Jobs out of high school pay little. Jobs for 13 yr olds? Arent even legal, lol.

And you know what? Everybody decided it was a really bad idea. Funny...we were smart and decided to still BE kids WHILE we were kids. Huh...at least high schoolers have a little 'judgement' when confronted with cold hard facts.

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I don't think you are understanding where i am coming from, or what I am saying. I know how society treats our kids today and hinders them.
 
I don't think you are understanding where i am coming from, or what I am saying. I know how society treats our kids today and hinders them.

Yes - but is this type of a situation the moment to make a stand and try to change things?

How about we do things like give them more personal responsibilities or something? Not - you know - instant Ma
 
Your 'feelings' should have no impact on it unless they are based on sound science and psychology. Otherwise they would only be harmful.

You refuse to look at the data that shows adolescent brain function is not nearly the same as adult and that our laws are based on reasonable protections for minors, even if the baseline for maturity/age are not precise.

I didnt see you address this serious flaw in your 'belief' in the other thread:


So really it falls on society and how we view 13 year old and bring them up.

That is exactly the OPPOSITE of what medical and psychological DATA indicate. They discuss brain development and function and hormonal influences. NOT external influences.

Wow.
 
Yes - but is this type of a situation the moment to make a stand and try to change things?

How about we do things like give them more personal responsibilities or something? Not - you know - instant Ma
That is pretty much what I'm trying to say. Gradual change. I know it wont happen overnight. I'm saying why can't it happen?
 
That is exactly the OPPOSITE of what medical and psychological DATA indicate. They discuss brain development and function and hormonal influences. NOT external influences.

Wow.
wow is right
 
I don't think you are understanding where i am coming from, or what I am saying. I know how society treats our kids today and hinders them.

And I GAVE you links that prove that society has little affect on BRAIN development and function and major hormonal changes. Biology vs. social science. HUGE distinction (altho with some overlap)

Yowzaa.
 
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1.)Not that im aware of as far as ordinary. Not sure what ordinary is.
2.) Logic to me is what makes sense to me. If it makes sense it's logical.
3.) Science, society laws, yea OK people go off that stuff.
4.)We have to follow laws, society is what makes our culture. Got it.
5.) i am far from *ordinary* and i do fall on scientific facts on some things, but that's because people say hmm have any scientific facts to back up your logic.
6.) do I really need it?
7.) If it makes sense to me, it logical
8.), if it makes sense to me I'm gonna express it. that's the bottom line.
9.) I'm extreme in some of my views and *mainstream* in others. It's who I am.
10.) I try to enlighten if you will, doesn't always work the 1st or even the 10th time trying at times, but i still keep goin

1.) well thats true "ordinary" is very subjective
2.) and there you have, you just identified the issues, that is NOT logic.
3.) yes people often go off of FACTS or things that can be SUPPORTED by logic
4.) no it doesnt, its just guidelines and many people dont follow it. AGain how old are you? do you live in america?
5.) yes this is common in the adult, honest, logical, educated world
6.) yes you do
7.) no that doesnt make it logical at all, again you simply dont know what that word means. theres rapist and murders and child molesters that all personally think thier actions are logical but they are not
8.) you are totally free to express it but its going to get blasted and destroyed and fail when you cant support it or back it up
9.) just so you know extreme has nothing to do with logic or illogical
10.) as the saying goes ignorance is bliss and your "logic" is complete ignorant to the facts and reality
 
Well, I don't agree with setting the age of majority so low.

What I do agree with is that it should be set... and not be this ridiculous trailing thing where people can ****, then later be allowed to drive, then vote, then smoke, then drink. Doesn't make a lick of sense.

So 13? No. That sounds way too early to me. But then some people think it's okay for 13 year olds to be having sex, so by that last standard, that to me tells me they think 13 year olds are adults, because that is an adult activity, of far more consequence than a cigarette.
 
1.)Because people like you are all about nope nope nope science science science.
2.)No open mind
3.) just nope you are a crazy man.

1.) wrong again but its common for a person who cant defend thier failed claims to make things up and try deflections
2.) mind is totally open another failed assumption but my mind is open to REASON, LOGIC, FACTS, COMMON SENSE, you have to provide some of that first, you have not but we will keep waiting
3.) i never called YOU crazy i dont know you, but the I did and will continue to call the IDEA cray that 13=18 because its absurd, factually false and a mentally retarded "idea" which has nothing to do with who YOU are
 
1.) well thats true "ordinary" is very subjective
2.) and there you have, you just identified the issues, that is NOT logic.
3.) yes people often go off of FACTS or things that can be SUPPORTED by logic
4.) no it doesnt, its just guidelines and many people dont follow it. AGain how old are you? do you live in america?
5.) yes this is common in the adult, honest, logical, educated world
6.) yes you do
7.) no that doesnt make it logical at all, again you simply dont know what that word means. theres rapist and murders and child molesters that all personally think thier actions are logical but they are not
8.) you are totally free to express it but its going to get blasted and destroyed and fail when you cant support it or back it up
9.) just so you know extreme has nothing to do with logic or illogical
10.) as the saying goes ignorance is bliss and your "logic" is complete ignorant to the facts and reality

thank you for your input. i will leave it at that. and i'm 34 and in the USA
 
Not that im aware of as far as ordinary. Not sure what ordinary is.
Logic to me is what makes sense to me. If it makes sense it's logical. Science, society laws, yea OK people go off that stuff. We have to follow laws, society is what makes our culture. Got it. i am far from *ordinary* and i do fall on scientific facts on some things, but that's because people say hmm have any scientific facts to back up your logic. do I really need it? If it makes sense to me, it logical, if it makes sense to me I'm gonna express it. that's the bottom line. I'm extreme in some of my views and *mainstream* in others. It's who I am.

So science is only valid if it 'makes sense to you?'

What the Hell are they teaching in schools today?

I realize this is the height of irony in this thread, but very single one of your posts in this thread displays the perspective of an adolescent. And that is what I'll believe based on what I've read.
 
Not that im aware of as far as ordinary. Not sure what ordinary is.
Logic to me is what makes sense to me. If it makes sense it's logical. Science, society laws, yea OK people go off that stuff. We have to follow laws, society is what makes our culture. Got it. i am far from *ordinary* and i do fall on scientific facts on some things, but that's because people say hmm have any scientific facts to back up your logic. do I really need it? If it makes sense to me, it logical, if it makes sense to me I'm gonna express it. that's the bottom line. I'm extreme in some of my views and *mainstream* in others. It's who I am.
I try to enlighten if you will, doesn't always work the 1st or even the 10th time trying at times, but i still keep goin
So really it falls on society and how we view 13 year old and bring them up.

The only reason I can think that you would support such a young legal adult age is that you're a pedophile. If you're not one, your positions and statements make you sound like one.

No rational person thinks that a 13 year old has the same mental capability as an 18 year old.

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"I'm ready to drink, drive, vote, and go to war, ma! Some guy on the internet told me I'm ready!"
 
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thank you for your input. i will leave it at that.
2.) and i'm 34 and in the USA

1.) you're welcome, hopefully the facts presented by me and others educate you on this topic
2.) the total lack and void of reality in some of your posts makes this VERY hard to believe

also now that you know what logic actually means try to use it properly
 
The only reason I can think that you would support such a young legal adult age is that you're a pedophile. If you're not one, your positions and statements make you sound like one.

No rational person thinks that a 13 year old has the same mental capability as an 18 year old.

He has avoided answering my post where I pointed out (based on other people's comments) that this would make 13 yr olds much more vulnerable to sexual abuse and predators.
 
1.) wrong again but its common for a person who cant defend thier failed claims to make things up and try deflections
2.) mind is totally open another failed assumption but my mind is open to REASON, LOGIC, FACTS, COMMON SENSE, you have to provide some of that first, you have not but we will keep waiting
3.) i never called YOU crazy i dont know you, but the I did and will continue to call the IDEA cray that 13=18 because its absurd, factually false and a mentally retarded "idea" which has nothing to do with who YOU are
and I will continue to argue that 13 is just as capable as today's 18 if given the proper tools and chance. And if given such tomorrows 13 will be today's 18 and so on. I don't believe we have unlocked the entire human potential, and are in fact hindering ourselves. No I don't have data to back it up. I have experiences. I've lived through my teems and into my 30's. I've dealt with people and society. someone said society has nothing to do with it, but it does, I mean how can it not? also the education system, maybe look at ways to change it so it focuses on basic needs like finances, survival skills aka eating, providing for yourself. At an early age. the human mind is a glorious thing, which hmm maybe is under utilized at the early stages.
Are you understanding what I'm saying?
 
The only reason I can think that you would support such a young legal adult age is that you're a pedophile. If you're not one, your positions and statements make you sound like one.

No rational person thinks that a 13 year old has the same mental capability as an 18 year old.

470_2526390.jpg

"I'm ready to drink, drive, vote, and go to war, ma! Some guy on the internet told me I'm ready!"

irrelavant post and ignored
 
He has avoided answering my post where I pointed out (based on other people's comments) that this would make 13 yr olds much more vulnerable to sexual abuse and predators.

sorry don't see it.
 
1.) you're welcome, hopefully the facts presented by me and others educate you on this topic
2.) the total lack and void of reality in some of your posts makes this VERY hard to believe

also now that you know what logic actually means try to use it properly
logic is what makes sense making it logical. As someone has said in other threads, definitions change........ However my feelings will always be there
 
1.)and I will continue to argue that 13 is just as capable as today's 18 if given the proper tools and chance.
2.)And if given such tomorrows 13 will be today's 18 and so on.
3.) I don't believe we have unlocked the entire human potential, and are in fact hindering ourselves. No I don't have data to back it up. I have experiences. I've lived through my teems and into my 30's. I've dealt with people and society.
4.)someone said society has nothing to do with it, but it does, I mean how can it not?
5.) also the education system, maybe look at ways to change it so it focuses on basic needs like finances, survival skills aka eating, providing for yourself. At an early age. the human mind is a glorious thing, which hmm maybe is under utilized at the early stages.
6.) Are you understanding what I'm saying?

1.) but you havent? you havent provided one single solid rational "argument"
2.) nope this will never happen lol
3.) me neither which also has nothing to do with the fact that 13 does not equal 18
4.) no it really doesnt, its very secondary to sciences, facts education, history etc
5.) again where are you from this has been tried all through history this is why we have the age set like we do, id say every good parent/teacher tries this too. I know i do, they simply arent capable
I know
6.) yes i understand you are still failing to provide and sound, rational and or factual argument or logic
 
and I will continue to argue that 13 is just as capable as today's 18 if given the proper tools and chance. And if given such tomorrows 13 will be today's 18 and so on. I don't believe we have unlocked the entire human potential, and are in fact hindering ourselves. No I don't have data to back it up. I have experiences. I've lived through my teems and into my 30's. I've dealt with people and society. someone said society has nothing to do with it, but it does, I mean how can it not? also the education system, maybe look at ways to change it so it focuses on basic needs like finances, survival skills aka eating, providing for yourself. At an early age. the human mind is a glorious thing, which hmm maybe is under utilized at the early stages.
Are you understanding what I'm saying?

I didnt say society doesnt have anything to do with it...I said that it doesnt *change* physiology and brain development...and the proof is everywhere that adolescents do not have well-developed judgement or impulse control. Too bad you didnt even bother to read the links but that's common in people that dont want to see anything that disproves their 'beliefs.' It's also a very 'adolescent' way of dealing with things you dont like...ignoring them. (Still not on board with 34)
 
irrelavant post and ignored

actually its not, PARTS of it maybe but its a VERY relevant theory/question considering your opinion

do you think its acceptable for a 30 year old to have sex with a 13yr old?
 
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