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Thread: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    Yes I'm against killing unborn human beings. No I am not against 13 year old taking charge of their own lives. as I said previously current laws do not allow 13 year olds to support anything. That's not the debate. Debate is should they be considered and are the capable. I say yes.
    I doubt if you even know any 13-year-olds. When I was 13 years old, I was certainly not capable of caring for myself.

    1) How would they get a job? They have no education.
    2) Should they be held legally responsible and have to fines and such? If so, they would need a job because their parents could no longer be liable. That means if they were driving and hit a person, they had better be able to pay up.
    3) Do you think 13-year-olds are mature, responsible and capable of driving on our major interstates?
    4) Do you think 13-year-olds have the experience, emotional and mental maturity to deal with sexual pressure from adults? How do you think a 13-year-old girl would handle that? How about a boy?
    5) Do you think 13-year-old children should be making their own decisions about their education and lives in the long-term? What if they wanted to drop out of school?
    6) Smoking, drinking? Do you think 13-year-old children should be allowed into bars and night clubs too, drinking and smoking? Do you think they would make responsible and mature decisions about such things, or do they tend to follow the pack for the most part?
    7) Voting? Do you think 13-year-old children are knowledgeable enough to cast votes? Do they understand the implications of casting a vote and do they understand the candidates and their platforms?
    8) Credit. Should we allow them to have credit cards too, and hold them financially responsible when they mess up? They would have to go to court and may be court ordered to pay, sometimes people can be thrown in jail for these things when they refuse to pay or cannot pay too.
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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I doubt if you even know any 13-year-olds. When I was 13 years old, I was certainly not capable of caring for myself.

    1) How would they get a job? They have no education.
    2) Should they be held legally responsible and have to fines and such? If so, they would need a job because their parents could no longer be liable. That means if they were driving and hit a person, they had better be able to pay up.
    3) Do you think 13-year-olds are mature, responsible and capable of driving on our major interstates?
    4) Do you think 13-year-olds have the experience, emotional and mental maturity to deal with sexual pressure from adults? How do you think a 13-year-old girl would handle that? How about a boy?
    5) Do you think 13-year-old children should be making their own decisions about their education and lives in the long-term? What if they wanted to drop out of school?
    6) Smoking, drinking? Do you think 13-year-old children should be allowed into bars and night clubs too, drinking and smoking? Do you think they would make responsible and mature decisions about such things, or do they tend to follow the pack for the most part?
    7) Voting? Do you think 13-year-old children are knowledgeable enough to cast votes? Do they understand the implications of casting a vote and do they understand the candidates and their platforms?
    8) Credit. Should we allow them to have credit cards too, and hold them financially responsible when they mess up? They would have to go to court and may be court ordered to pay, sometimes people can be thrown in jail for these things when they refuse to pay or cannot pay too.
    These are all excellent questions, Chris. I was trying to remember if he said he had kids. I thought I remember he said he did his unrealistic expectations seemed to suggest he didn't. I was about to ask him, but it looks like I won't be getting an answer. Maybe under his next username.

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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    These are all excellent questions, Chris. I was trying to remember if he said he had kids. I thought I remember he said he did his unrealistic expectations seemed to suggest he didn't. I was about to ask him, but it looks like I won't be getting an answer. Maybe under his next username.
    Oh, banned, I didn't even notice.

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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh, banned, I didn't even notice.
    It is harder to tell when the avatar sticks around.

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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    These are all excellent questions, Chris. I was trying to remember if he said he had kids. I thought I remember he said he did his unrealistic expectations seemed to suggest he didn't. I was about to ask him, but it looks like I won't be getting an answer. Maybe under his next username.
    Yes you are right. Very unrealistic expectations for a 13-year-old. If you give it any thought at all, you can see how stupid it really is to even suggest such a thing.

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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I doubt if you even know any 13-year-olds. When I was 13 years old, I was certainly not capable of caring for myself.

    1) How would they get a job? They have no education.
    2) Should they be held legally responsible and have to fines and such? If so, they would need a job because their parents could no longer be liable. That means if they were driving and hit a person, they had better be able to pay up.
    3) Do you think 13-year-olds are mature, responsible and capable of driving on our major interstates?
    4) Do you think 13-year-olds have the experience, emotional and mental maturity to deal with sexual pressure from adults? How do you think a 13-year-old girl would handle that? How about a boy?
    5) Do you think 13-year-old children should be making their own decisions about their education and lives in the long-term? What if they wanted to drop out of school?
    6) Smoking, drinking? Do you think 13-year-old children should be allowed into bars and night clubs too, drinking and smoking? Do you think they would make responsible and mature decisions about such things, or do they tend to follow the pack for the most part?
    7) Voting? Do you think 13-year-old children are knowledgeable enough to cast votes? Do they understand the implications of casting a vote and do they understand the candidates and their platforms?
    8) Credit. Should we allow them to have credit cards too, and hold them financially responsible when they mess up? They would have to go to court and may be court ordered to pay, sometimes people can be thrown in jail for these things when they refuse to pay or cannot pay too.
    I think there should be a graduated system, with youth having much more rights than at present, so I'll try to respond.

    1. They do have some education, their educational level would be sufficient for some jobs.
    2. Yes.
    3. I think that driving rights should be based on other characteristics than age, most 13 year olds probably wouldn't qualify.
    4. I think that all sex outside marriage should be illegal.
    5. Probably.
    6. I don't think that the smoking and drinking ages should be changed.
    7. Those things could be said about most voters. I think that the electoral system should be changed to be more along the lines of a deliberative jury-style system. I would allow 13 year olds to participate in such a system.
    8. Yes.

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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    1.)I personally do not. I also don't think it's acceptable for a 25 and a 45 year old.
    2.)It's not about what I think is acceptable, it's about what I think the capabilities are.
    1.) how about 23 and 13?
    2.) no its about what reality, facts and science KNOW they are
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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    I will still argue my side of the story.
    again you havent made any argument besides "nu-huh"
    do you have something better than that?
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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    Work In Progress - Adolescent Brains Are A Work In Progress | Inside The Teenage Brain | FRONTLINE | PBS
    I found this that seems to argue both ways, doesn't really give a clear cut age though
    While Adolescents May Reason As Well As Adults, Their Emotional Maturity Lags, Says New Research
    this one might even be suggesting older then 25.
    none of the info there saying ANYTHING about 13 being the same as 18, try again
    do you understand the discussion?
    what you posted was about 16 year olds and SOME may be better than we think and there isnt A LOT of great differences before 17 and younger but POSSIBLY some significant ones after 18 and up

    wheres the part about 13 = 18?
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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    again you havent made any argument besides "nu-huh"
    do you have something better than that?
    It seems he got banned. I didnt see where tho, maybe a different thread.

    And someone else here said he'd been on the forum under a different previously..."Quik"

    I dont recognize that name but I havent been here that long.
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