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Thread: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    We have seen you back up 'your opinion' with exactly that....nothing more than '[be]cause you said so.'
    You mean history means nothing. good to know. I don't expect you to agree with me, but try to understand me. People would rather fight me, then at least do that

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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Because SCIENCE and COMMON SENSE says so.
    good to know.

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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    How?


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    not fighting in that im out there promoting, though I wiuld support less coddling and tough love laws.. but like in this thread, at least trying t express why i feel that way.

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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's a pumpkin pie, not a pancake.

    It proves:

    a) his birthday is on Thanksgiving

    b) you are drunk posting and cant recognize that pancakes dont have crusts.
    so proves nothing either way. That was my point

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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    You mean history means nothing. good to know. I don't expect you to agree with me, but try to understand me. People would rather fight me, then at least do that
    You were ONLY able to connect that to reproduction. Yes, some 13 yr olds can reproduce.

    However *historically*....any society where 13 yr olds regularly mated was a tribal society where people lived in familial groups and they were *not on their own.* Even the sick FLDS societies where older men marry 13 yr olds...they have an entire familial network to support them.

    *Historically* Western societies were not marrying off 13 yr olds.

    Got anything else?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    so proves nothing either way. That was my point
    LOL

    It wasnt meant seriously.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    1.)I did answer, no to both on orphan and abuse.
    2.)I guess my idea of logic is different then yours, that is fine
    1.) no you didnt, if you did qoute yourself giving me answers but thank you for doing it now. How about how old are you and id you have anything out of the ordinary in your childhood

    2.) well "i" dont have an idea of what logic is, maybe thats why your posts are totally failing, "im" going by what logic FACTUALLY is, the actual definition


    Logic
    a (1) : a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning
    b (1) : a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty
    c : interrelation or sequence of facts or events when seen as inevitable or predictable

    youve provided none of this, so what is YOUR IDEA of logic?
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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You were ONLY able to connect that to reproduction. Yes, some 13 yr olds can reproduce.

    However *historically*....any society where 13 yr olds regularly mated was a tribal society where people lived in familial groups and they were *not on their own.* Even the sick FDLS societies where older men marry 13 yr olds...they have an entire familial network to support them.

    *Historically* Western societies were not marrying off 13 yr olds.

    Got anything else?
    I've already mentioned the coddling we do with our children, that in fact can hinder their growth. I do not need scientific evidence to back me up. I'm perfectly OK with arguing my views without them. 13 is a totally logical age IMO. marrying off etc etc. What is marriage exactly? something we invented along the way. Is 13 done developing? No but is enough along to carry them self and provide for them self. Heck yes, easier so in modern days then even 200 years ago. what's preventing it? Society and laws. That's the bottom line. Like I said don't have to agree with it, and really not trying to argue you should. Just stating my views

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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    not fighting in that im out there promoting, though I wiuld support less coddling and tough love laws.. but like in this thread, at least trying t express why i feel that way.
    Your 'feelings' should have no impact on it unless they are based on sound science and psychology. Otherwise they would only be harmful.

    You refuse to look at the data that shows adolescent brain function is not nearly the same as adult and that our laws are based on reasonable protections for minors, even if the baseline for maturity/age are not precise.

    I didnt see you address this serious flaw in your 'belief' in the other thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    AJ that poll is great. It brings up alot more angles than just this discussion...but it kind of comes full circle.

    Many people pointed out that it would make 13 yr olds much more vulnerable to sexual abuse and predators...they'd be 'legal.'

    So we'd end up with MORE pregnant 13 yr olds...by choice and by force. How could that possibly be good? For them or for society?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: 13 years old should be the legal age of an adult?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    1.)I've already mentioned the coddling we do with our children, that in fact can hinder their growth.
    2.)I do not need scientific evidence to back me up.
    3.) I'm perfectly OK with arguing my views without them.
    4.) 13 is a totally logical age IMO. marrying off etc etc.
    5.) Is 13 done developing? No but is enough along to carry them self and provide for them self. Heck yes
    6.), easier so in modern days then even 200 years ago.
    7.) what's preventing it? Society and laws. That's the bottom line.
    8.) Like I said don't have to agree with it, and really not trying to argue you should.
    9.) Just stating my views
    1.) which is meaningless to saying 13 = 18.
    2.) yes you do this is how debate and ot factual discussion works
    3.) again you havent offered any argument
    4.) one backed up with no facts and an unsupportable opinion
    5.) no its not in reality and todays world, again if you disagree all you have to do is back this claim up with facts or supportable logic
    6.) nope harder
    7.) fact,s reality, science, mental and physical and intellectual development
    8.) we know
    9.) yes and you are free to do so but without support they will never be taken seriously
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