View Poll Results: Multiculturalism or Melting pot?

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Thread: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I think it's a little of both.

    The social base - "freedom, justice, and the American Way" LOL! - has to stay pretty homogeneous or we're no longer a country. (That's not to say there's can't be gradual change!) Everyone has to believe in and accept the same basic principles of freedom and law because that's our foundation in the West.
    Who gets to decide what those norms are? I think you're well-intentioned but I believe you're wrong here. An adult has a right to believe whatever he wants politically and any attempt to force others to think the way you do is misplaced.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I see the point in the OP of parent cultures being displaced, and I don't think it has to do with the method but rather the speed of immigration. Really, in most developed places, immigration has no rhyme or reason. Globalization has caused a huge influx of foreigners into the more prosperous regions, without adequate time to let the parent cultures adjust. It's really quite disruptive.
    What's disruptive is people like you who have a closed-minded attitude toward other cultures. If you would accept these immigrants as they are you wouldn't have these problems.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Every American citizen is 100% American. Just because they don't talk, look, or act like you doesn't mean they're any less "American" than you are.
    I am, a first generation of immigrants. And I now what I am talking about.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    I am, a first generation of immigrants. And I now what I am talking about.
    So am I. I was born in Sweden. If you're an American Citizen then you're 100% American. You're not less American just because you were born somewhere else.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I don't have time for this kind of bigotry. Certain people are just going to be hateful I guess...
    I enjoy the Catholic Church even if I don't really believe in much of it. I respect it more than the protestant faiths, anyway. That being said, they are all part of the flock, nay? We don't get to keep only those that are the best and brightest. We take the label for all of those who at least at base value subscribe.
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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I enjoy the Catholic Church even if I don't really believe in much of it. I respect it more than the protestant faiths, anyway. That being said, they are all part of the flock, nay? We don't get to keep only those that are the best and brightest. We take the label for all of those who at least at base value subscribe.
    That has nothing to do with anything and I find your attempt to ridicule the Christian Faith to be infantile and underhanded. Go find a thread in the philosophy forum and talk about spaghetti monsters or something. This thread is about immigration and I'd like to keep it that way.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    LOL no they weren't. When did Jesus say "love thy neighbor, and then put him in a concentration camp."

    Oh that's right, he didn't.
    Ignorant of history, huh? Not at all surprised.
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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Ignorant of history, huh? Not at all surprised.
    Not at all. Now quit trying to derail a thread about immigration.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That has nothing to do with anything and I find your attempt to ridicule the Christian Faith to be infantile and underhanded. Go find a thread in the philosophy forum and talk about spaghetti monsters or something. This thread is about immigration and I'd like to keep it that way.
    I have respect for the Christian faith. Bad deeds were done by plenty of Christians over the centuries. You deal with it, and you still label them Christians. That being said, I didn't really start the tangent. That was you with the all-too-easy Nazi remark.

    You could have easily responded to the many other posts of mine about the melting pot or multiculturalism, but aside from your rather long and sympathetic response regarding outsiders (it still doesn't quite solve the overarching dilemma multiculturalism poses with regard to dominant culture), you were more than willing to move onto Nazi's (albeit, rather incorrectly).
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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Not at all. Now quit trying to derail a thread about immigration.
    I'm not, I'm not the one ignoring the fact that Hitler was a self-professed Catholic, that the Nazis marched around with belt buckles that said "God With Us" or that the Catholic Church smuggled Nazi war criminals out of Germany following WWII on Red Cross Visas. This is all undeniable historical fact. You want to pretend otherwise.
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