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Thread: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    OK, AB, let's talk African Americans. Once upon a time, before they ancestors were taken to America, they didn't know a single word in English and spoke their native African languages. Today their mother tongue is English and virtually all those African languages are forgotten. They have blended into American culture, if we presume that language and religion are primer identities.
    African Americans, as a group, have not had the best success being seen as strictly "American", either for themselves or in the eyes of whites.
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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Oh please.

    Until well into the 20th century public school was being taught in the German language all over America.

    It wasn't until the 1950s that Pennsylvania ended the requirement that government forms and documents be available in both English and German.

    My mother grew up in the Polish section of Jersey City NJ.

    If you weren't Polish, and weren't in the company of a local, you could pretty much rest assured that you were going to get your ass kicked.

    My father's side of the family grew up in the Irish sections of Jersey City, Newark, and Brooklyn.

    Until early in the 20th century you were better off being black than Irish when it came to seeking employment in many parts of the country.

    It usually takes newly immigrated populations three or four generations before they begin "melting" into America.

    The idea that Mexicans or Indians or Arabs should do something in a single lifetime that it took the 19th and 20th century's European immigrants nearer to a century to do is absurd.
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    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Multiculturalism has benefited Canada greatly and will continue to do so, besides we don't really have a culture for them to melt into.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    I am for multiculturalism and I think anyone who wants people to assimilate in to a "melting pot" is actually racist or just xenophobic on some level. We shouldn't kowtow to racists and bigots, nor should we kowtow to fear and xenophobes (I'm looking at you, Arizona).

    If you don't believe me, go to a white supremacy website for kicks and read what they write.... all they do is rail against "multiculturalism."

    Multiculturalism is a good thing. God made us all different and we should embrace those differences rather than trying to force everyone to assimilate to some stupid norm.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Things a xenophobic racist says:

    "We should build a fence to protect our border."

    "Everyone should learn to speak English"

    "We need to secure the border before any other steps are taken on immigration reform"

    Calling immigration reform "amnesty"

    etc.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    How should that be enforced?
    This is a thread about preferences, not forced obedience.
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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    If the really bad stuff burns off while cooking, melting pot on the important stuff, and multicultural on the flavoring (like entertainment and cuisine and style).

    Variety is great on everything except things like oh, variety of how we treat human rights, or allow economic freedom, etc.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I am for multiculturalism and I think anyone who wants people to assimilate in to a "melting pot" is actually racist or just xenophobic on some level. We shouldn't kowtow to racists and bigots, nor should we kowtow to fear and xenophobes (I'm looking at you, Arizona).
    Nationalism and xenophobia can go hand-in-hand. That being said, nationalism is good. The melting pot concept is actually quite damned liberal, really. It somehow suggests that groups of foreigners can come together and join the collective, free from the labels of the past, seen as equals. That doesn't seem to be a national motto all that often elsewhere. At least, that was half​ the intention. The other half was certainly less than glamorous.
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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Please, choose sides.

    I for one who wants different cultures but I also think they should stay apart, not mix together in a Tower of Babylon. For example, If one wants to imigrate to a country, one should adopt the culture, not try to impose his/hers on the locals. What do you think?

    I think America being known as the melting pot of the world was still valid in the 1990's. My wife who became a naturalized citizen around 1996 was taught that there were no hyphenated Americans at that time, that regardless of race, religion, color, creed, where one came from that we are all Americans. That question was on her test she took.

    I think since then the hyphenation of Americans have tended to segregate us. That it has emphasized the differences in us instead of uniting us. Abraham Lincoln once said a house divided will not stand. That is exactly what is happening to America today, we are being divided and one race is pitted against another.

    Sure it should not be expected for those who just arrived in this country to not retain the language and customs of the country they came from. But by the second generation that generation will have become more American than whatever country they came from and by the third generation, completely American. I like to think as a melting pot, we take the best from where ever and get rid of the bad. That the American culture is ever changing and improving by the newly arrived. By dividing us into segments of Multiculturalism and the hyphenation we are achieving an unforced form of apartied.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think America being known as the melting pot of the world was still valid in the 1990's. My wife who became a naturalized citizen around 1996 was taught that there were no hyphenated Americans at that time, that regardless of race, religion, color, creed, where one came from that we are all Americans. That question was on her test she took.

    I think since then the hyphenation of Americans have tended to segregate us. That it has emphasized the differences in us instead of uniting us. Abraham Lincoln once said a house divided will not stand. That is exactly what is happening to America today, we are being divided and one race is pitted against another.
    Which is rather interesting really. In the 1980s and 1990s, multiculturalism was all the rage, either for or against. That's why I am somewhat amused when I read "I think since then," when in fact the "since then" was a while before she took that examination.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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