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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    OK, AB, let's talk African Americans. They have blended into American culture, if we presume that language and religion are primer identities.
    They've created their own distinct culture, separate from other people with the same religion and language.
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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    I'm not much for this 'all or nothing' crap when it comes to these bipolar disCUSSions.

    I don't want a bleaching vat removing all flavor, nor a 12 grain bread barely held together by a tiny bit of flour.

    I like my stews with chunks of ingredients big enough to taste the different flavors but still benefiting from the harmony of a good simmer.

    Fact is our culture worships individualism, some might say to a fault- libertarianism is based on that, there is our me- first culture, and I got mine to hell with the rest of you guys tribe.

    same on multiculturalism, we can become so focused on our differences we forget what drew us together.

    But even after 150 years we still celebrate the differences of Irish Folks, but seem a tad put-off Hispanic folks like a day to do everything the Irish do but with more spice. I gave up counting the number of people who are quick to tell me they are some part EYE-talian. Love to hear the various accents when i go to Lawton, where spouses from around the world mingle with boot scootin' Okies.

    And when it comes to multi-culturalism even 'real' Americans get into the act with 'I'm from Texas' and Valley girl chic. Our 'American' culture varies from region to region. Here in Oklahoma you can find little hottie teens running around in designer cammy that a New Yorker wouldn't be literally caught dead in. Texas loves to use the death penalty and northern states have outlawed it.

    So I'm not so sure I'd focus too much on immigrants as a big driver of 'multi-culturalism'. Well unless you count Texans as immigrants...

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    OK, AB, let's talk African Americans. Once upon a time, before they ancestors were taken to America, they didn't know a single word in English and spoke their native African languages. Today their mother tongue is English and virtually all those African languages are forgotten. They have blended into American culture, if we presume that language and religion are primer identities.
    Let's talk Turks in Germany now, more than 2 million, if I recall correctly. They have been there for what, 50+ years? Have they blended? Generally speaking, no. They keep their mother tongue and probably will continue to do so. They keep their religion. I'm talking people who are born and grew up there in Germany.
    You know what they say, when in Rome, do like the Romans.
    Well, you outlined my very point. The last Africans shipped to the USA arrived in 1859, 155 years ago. Most arrived 200+ years ago. In 100+ years from now those German-Turks and German society will have assimilated one with another to a huge extent. It's a matter of time, not something intrinsically incompatible about one community with another.
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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    I'm for cultural plagiarism. Take their good **** and dump their bad **** - call it your own.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    They've created their own distinct culture, separate from other people with the same religion and language.
    And unique dialect. Or at least dialect that only sounds good when spoken by them. Plagiarism of their music has had starkly different results, the Brits and the French have the rosetta stone when it comes to doing that well.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Its a nonsensical choice. Immigrants will always bring their culture with them and will also adopt aspects of the dominant culture. They will also influence the dominant culture. As they create new generations many aspects of the family's homeland culture will fade away and a few will remain for a few more generations.

    It is cruel, intolerant and unnecessary to expect immigrants to abandon their old culture immediately. It is intolerant and stupid to expect the dominant culture to be immune to influence from new immigrants. Someday soon dim sum, tacos and falafels will seem as all-American as pizza, hamburgers and french fries.
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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    100% melting pot. There should be no multiculturalism whatsoever. People need to come together, take the best parts of various cultures and put them together into a superior whole.
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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Multiculturalism as a political doctrine is predicated upon double standards and these double standards are a product of overcompensation brought on by guilt. Instead of the same standards being applied to all people, multiculturalist dogma demands that different standards apply to some, and inevitably these double standards support practices that are extremely illiberal in nature. It is really quite racialist when it gets right down to it as certain groups are afforded greater leeway when it comes to their lack of respect for human rights.

    What galls me is the Orwellian nature of the multiculturalist leftists being the chief impediment to the advancement of human rights to all people by supporting knuckle-dragging backwardness that is so extremely conservative in nature as to be off the charts. Hypocrites all.
    I have never heard of a liberal defend or advocate tolerance (for example) for a wife beater in the USA because that was the custom in his homeland. That is a false claim. A liberal will argue that keeping an immigrant from beating his wife when that was acceptable back home requires a respectful and culturally sensitive approach to be most effective.

    Liberals will also argue that invading or dominating another nation and forcefully imposing our customs, even if they are more enlightened, is not a good approach because it is likely to create a backlash. It is best to quietly and sensitively use non-profit advocacy to encourage positive change within the other country as much as possible. In some cases, sanctions and/or political pressure should be used to prevent major human rights violations, force/violence is rarely the most effective way to change other cultures, it should be reserved for genocide level atrocities.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    100% melting pot. There should be no multiculturalism whatsoever. People need to come together, take the best parts of various cultures and put them together into a superior whole.
    How should that be enforced?

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Inb4 white Americans claiming to be very knowledgeable about cultural affairs.

    Ah, crap. I'm already too late.
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