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Thread: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    My friend, the "Volga's German" (his family, ethnic Germans, lived in Russia 200 years), in 1988, decided to immigrate to Germany. Consulate employee where he applied, asked him: "Are you studying German history? Are you know German tradition? Are you singing German songs? Because not enough to be a citizen of Germany, and not even enough to be a German by blood, to be a German."
    In your turns out, that any of the Turks living in Sweden and has already the Sweden citizenship- Swede? No it is not. He just Turks living in Sweden. Not yet, imbued with the spirit of the country. Until Sweden will be more important to him then Turkey.
    Such is the spirit of nationalism. However, I don't believe in nationalism. I think it's a crock. I don't owe allegiance to any country. I owe allegiance to myself. I go where I please and do what I please. I owe allegiance to my family, and to my friends, and the people I know and love. Above all else, I owe allegiance to God.

    As for a bunch of fat, old politicians, I couldn't care less about them and it matters not if they're Swedish or American or whatever. They're only looking out for their own wallets anyway.

    There's an old song that sums it up.... "some folks are born silver spoon in hand, they'll send you out to war. If you ask them 'how much should you give' the only answer is more more more."

    **** that. I don't owe America a damn thing.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    So, the fact that I am a good mimic and can do a couple of passable American accents means that I could be a more 'pure' American than someone born there, but whose mother-tongue isn't American English and who has a strong, say Mexican accent? You might want to concentrate on something relevant.
    As a Spaniard, you understand more about what it is to be an American than many of the Americans on this thread.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I am coming to the thread late, but I checked 'melting pot' without any hesitation. Until recent decades, America has always been a country that was a beacon of individual liberty and opportunity to all who came here. Each new immigrant did not come here to be an Irishman or Scot or Italian or Pakistani or Japanese or Chinese or whatever who would live here instead of there. Immigrants came to be Americans and all that entailed. Each brought their culture of origin with them and blended it into the whole, enriching our unique American culture, but not seeking to change it. Immigrants intended to be Americans and expected no particular deference or concessions made to them for the culture they came out of.

    As one nation with one culture and one language we are strong and powerful and can accomplish anything. But the more sub groups we divide ourselves into, we become weaker, less cohesive, less of one nation, and diminish opportunity and progress for all.
    Immigrants have profoundly changed American Culture, whether intended or not.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Like it or not, yes, you are less American. Recent ignorant Republican rhetoric aside, you can't be the Pres if you're not a natural born citizen.
    Neither can you, unless you're sitting on a few million dollars you can blow on campaigning.

    Legally, I'm fully American. And that's all that matters.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Essentially, the law dictates the basic structure but to some extent you should learn how those in your community treat each if you want to avoid problems. Where I grew up, for example, it was unacceptable (in most cases) to call the cops on your neighbors without first discussing the problem with them. Obviously, violent crimes and major infractions needed immediate police involvement but those were very rare and usually involved people outside the neighborhood.

    I wouldn't want to force anyone to believe the same things I do. What a boring world that would be, all of us the same. That said, see above about local customs. You tread on those at your peril.


    I didn't say anything at ALL about politics so why you would mention it is beyond me. Politically, you should be able to believe whatever you want without fear of retribution as long as you're not breaking the law.

    I've spent my entire life jumping from culture to culture. I can do it better than anyone I know. I speak several languages, and other cultures interest me greatly. That said, I'm not going to change one single thing about myself to appease anyone. And as I have every legal right as an American Citizen that you do, I'll continue to speak Swedish in public, etc, and be totally justified in doing so.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    But it's you who went to America, America didn't come to you to tell you what to do. That said it's your duty to accept the language and the norms of that society.
    My "duty?" LOL. I never signed up for that. My passport says "United States of America." That makes me American. I can vote how I want, dress how I want, talk whatever language I want, and if that offends you.... you can pound sand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Don't like it? Good, go back from where you came.
    Make me. I have as much legal right to be here as anyone. Show me where it says in our constitution that we deport people who don't speak English. That's ironically a very un-American idea coming out of your head.

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    If you are a Mexican that has lived a decade in the U.S. and can't say a sentence in English, what American are you? (speaking hypothetically, not you exactly)
    As for the "less of American"... I think that if you are bilingual (English + mother tongue) you are less of American. If you have British or Aussie accent, you are less of American and so on and so forth.
    Luckily, what you think has no bearing on reality. My passport says "United States of America." My social security card says "United States of America." I'm an American Citizen, and there is no legal distinction between someone who is bilingual and someone who only speaks English.

    Actually all it means is I'm more worldly and better-educated than those who speak only one language.

    So while you might think people like me are less American, the law does not agree with you, and you just show yourself to be a bigot.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I've spent my entire life jumping from culture to culture. I can do it better than anyone I know. I speak several languages, and other cultures interest me greatly. That said, I'm not going to change one single thing about myself to appease anyone. And as I have every legal right as an American Citizen that you do, I'll continue to speak Swedish in public, etc, and be totally justified in doing so.
    If you want to go against the grain in your neighborhood that's up to you. Don't feel like you're being picked on when you're treated differently because you're being rude, by local standards.


    And I don't care what language you speak in public. If people don't understand what you're saying, that's on you.
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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If you want to go against the grain in your neighborhood that's up to you. Don't feel like you're being picked on when you're treated differently because you're being rude, by local standards.


    And I don't care what language you speak in public. If people don't understand what you're saying, that's on you.
    I have no problem with that point of view. As long as you aren't saying things like "let's build a fence on the border" or "they shouldn't let people in the country who don't speak English" because people who talk like that are just being ignorant.

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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I have no problem with that point of view. As long as you aren't saying things like "let's build a fence on the border" or "they shouldn't let people in the country who don't speak English" because people who talk like that are just being ignorant.
    Even a cursory glance at history shows how ignorant that (not your) attitude is. America has always had immigrants - literally by the boatload - and most didn't speak English or spoke only pigeon English.
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    Re: Multiculturalism vs Melting pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Immigrants have profoundly changed American Culture, whether intended or not.
    But up until multi-culturalism rather than the melting pot concept was created, immigrants FORMED the American Culture, each adding his her own flavor to the mix, but ultimately producing a uniquely American culture. That is how it should be.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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