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Thread: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

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    Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    So, today in history what we commonly call "net neutrality" was overturned by an appeals court (see Verizon v. FCC):

    Verizon Communications Inc. (VZ) won an appeals court challenge to U.S. equal treatment rules for the Internet that could leave companies such as Netflix Inc. and Amazon.com Inc. facing higher charges for the fastest service.
    -Bloomberg

    Everything I've read has lead me to believe that this is a poor decision. Obviously I haven't read the entire 81 page ruling in its entirety yet, that's something for later tonight/ tomorrow. However, as an ardent proponent of freedom of expression and information, I feel that this will could possibly rob the average american of powerful information at the expense of corporate mandates/ profits.

    Again, I haven't read the ruling in its entirety (I'm currently on page 12) and will reserve my final opinion on the matter until I've completely read the document and also researched any referenced material.

    Anyway, what are your thoughts on this matter:

    • Is it an overreach of the government (FCC) an overreach of the private industry (Verizon/ Comcast)?
    • Will this negatively affect the end users, or will it promote further innovation?

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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    I haven't read it yet, but my initial instinct with the net neutrality issue (as it has been over the past couple of years) is to oppose it.
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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    I support net neutrality. I this this decision will harm internet usage.I can see cable internet companies purposely slowing internet traffic to netflix and other similar sites and claiming we now need to purchase a special monthly service to allow us access to those sites even though we already pay for internet based on download rate,blocking certain political sites and so on.
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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I haven't read it yet, but my initial instinct with the net neutrality issue (as it has been over the past couple of years) is to oppose it.
    Why are are you opposed to net neutrality?

    Is it a political stance or a practicality stance?

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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    Why are are you opposed to net neutrality?

    Is it a political stance or a practicality stance?
    Mostly political. I don't think it would have much effect overall, but gives the government more of a foot in the door on regulating information and content.
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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I support net neutrality. I this this decision will harm internet usage.I can see cable internet companies purposely slowing internet traffic to netflix and other similar sites and claiming we now need to purchase a special monthly service to allow us access to those sites even though we already pay for internet based on download rate,blocking certain political sites and so on.
    I'm almost 100% certain that it will play out exactly as you've just described.

    We currently pay for internet service through one of the major providers, they are also a major cable provider. As we see little value in any programs on television and happily pay extra to watch what few programs we do enjoy without commercial interruption. . . in other words we generally stream movies/ shows.

    Several months ago I received a random call from the internet provider, who was ostensibly concerned that we didn't have television service. They offered to get us a great package (bundled with our current internet service). When I declined, they started asking probing questions about how we were able to enjoy our favorite shows/ games. They even specifically asked me if we streamed any programs. . . to which I immediately said 'no.'

    Shortly after that conversation our connection started slowing down whenever we decided to stream movies/ shows at particular times.

    I'm quite sure we were being throttled, and now it's totally legal for that to happen.

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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Mostly political. I don't think it would have much effect overall, but gives the government more of a foot in the door on regulating information and content.
    I can see that, but what of the end where larger corporations regulate and push out smaller content?

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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    I can see that, but what of the end where larger corporations regulate and push out smaller content?
    Large corporations don't have legislative powers. What I have seen in my area is an increase in available services, with more competitive pricing, not a decrease from large corporations squeezing out the competition.
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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Large corporations don't have legislative powers. What I have seen in my area is an increase in available services, with more competitive pricing, not a decrease from large corporations squeezing out the competition.
    The US has maybe 5-6 major ISP providers and dozens of subcontractors. It's very similar to the big 3 as far as market share goes. So their idea of "competitive" pricing is a farce and insult to the costumers. It means that customers will have to argue over who gives the biggest scraps at the most reasonable high price. Net neutrality ensures that they have to provide better services. Again, fighting net neutrality essentially ensures cartelism. Good luck living up to your "Libertarian" label while supporting what is essentially corporatism.
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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Large corporations don't have legislative powers. What I have seen in my area is an increase in available services, with more competitive pricing, not a decrease from large corporations squeezing out the competition.
    I can agree that they don't have legislative powers, but I also see where they have censorship powers where the government doesn't.

    For me, as a paying customer I don't want the ISP to tell me what/ when I can see on the internet. I essentially feel that I'm paying them for the bandwidth and they should leave it at that.

    Net neutrality essentially guarantees this freedom, where I know some of these companies are just waiting to cut services to streaming video services.

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