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Thread: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Uhh, yes they do pay that and so do I. Just who do you think pays for it?
    How? You don't get a bill from every service provider out there that your network traffic happens to run over do you? I know I don't.

    I don't know. My guess is either the owners of the network swallow the cost and roll it into the charges to their users or there are some ISP-ISP agreements to apportion those costs.
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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    How? You don't get a bill from every service provider out there that your network traffic happens to run over do you? I know I don't.

    I don't know. My guess is either the owners of the network swallow the cost and roll it into the charges to their users or there are some ISP-ISP agreements to apportion those costs.
    And those costs end up back in the hands of the customers. Doesn't matter whether the people in CA pays for part of my access to UC Berkeley and I pay for part their access to Sprint HQ - it's still us consumers paying the costs.


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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    How? You don't get a bill from every service provider out there that your network traffic happens to run over do you? I know I don't.

    I don't know. My guess is either the owners of the network swallow the cost and roll it into the charges to their users or there are some ISP-ISP agreements to apportion those costs.
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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Mostly political. I don't think it would have much effect overall, but gives the government more of a foot in the door on regulating information and content.
    If a company wants to remain free of public intervention into its private business model(s), it must pay for all the resources it uses to conduct its business.

    If, OTOH, others pay for some of those resources (i. e. the land through which those cables run), then those others have a right to dictate terms to the business that use those resources.

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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    Naturally, larger content providers (i.e. netflix/ Facebook) being what they are, will in turn shift those costs back to consumers. . . in an attempt to protect their high profit margins. Mathematically, I'm pretty sure that the consumers will loose either way in this. Profit aside, what of the content providers who can't afford to pay for the infrastructure costs. What about the lone blogger or the tiny newspaper service, who will not be able to afford the new costs? Traditionally the internet has provided a voice for those without much in the way of means, it's actually helped proliferate some pretty powerful information that would've otherwise stayed locked away. With this decision, I'm pretty sure we'll see a lot of independent news/ information sites snuffed out.
    If Netflix shifts the cost to consumers and it is a burden then the other providers of on demand movies can undercut Netflix and give that good ol' capitalism some mention at such times a chance to show it's hand in this.

    I guess it depends on what 'small content providers' use in the way of bandwidth. Use small/pay small. Like many other usage fees, there can be a threshold of use you have to cross before fees kick-in. Course it could also hinge on commercial use vs 'private' use. Do it as a money making business or as a hobby.

    I'm not ready to declare the end of lone bloggers, conspiracy websites, or local newspapers being able to put their weekly 3 pager on the internet just yet. (as much as losing the first 2 would make losing the last one acceptable collateral damage... )

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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
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    Yes. And my point is - and has always been - that that is a sledgehammer approach. Everyone pays regardless of whether they use the bandwidth or not. Billing Netflix directly would be a step towards shifting the cost to those who actually incur them.
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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    I disagree with the decision, and am of the opinion that the removal of Net Neutrality will have a negative effect.

    To the point that if necessary, I would support a constitutional amendment supporting net neutrality.
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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Yes. And my point is - and has always been - that that is a sledgehammer approach. Everyone pays regardless of whether they use the bandwidth or not. Billing Netflix directly would be a step towards shifting the cost to those who actually incur them.
    There is no way you could possibly prevent the increased costs to Netflix from being transferred to their customers.

    Allowing cable companies to do this kind of thing gives them the power to drive companies like netflix out of business if they so desire.

    Granted that might violate other laws I'm unaware of, but....since I'm not aware of them, they might not exist.
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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    If Netflix shifts the cost to consumers and it is a burden then the other providers of on demand movies can undercut Netflix and give that good ol' capitalism some mention at such times a chance to show it's hand in this.

    I guess it depends on what 'small content providers' use in the way of bandwidth. Use small/pay small. Like many other usage fees, there can be a threshold of use you have to cross before fees kick-in. Course it could also hinge on commercial use vs 'private' use. Do it as a money making business or as a hobby.

    I'm not ready to declare the end of lone bloggers, conspiracy websites, or local newspapers being able to put their weekly 3 pager on the internet just yet. (as much as losing the first 2 would make losing the last one acceptable collateral damage... )
    In some ways, I consider any kind of corporation or individual-specific (wait, they're the same thing now, right? ) price setting for internet usage as a violation of the 1st Amendment...Not directly, but I could easily see an internet provider raising the cost of internet bandwidth for someone who does something they don't like.

    I guess my thinking about this whole thing is: "do you trust the various internet providers to decide what information will be cheapest for you to view?"

    And my answer is: No.
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    Re: Verizon v. FCC (Net Neutrality/ Internet Openness)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Yes. And my point is - and has always been - that that is a sledgehammer approach. Everyone pays regardless of whether they use the bandwidth or not. Billing Netflix directly would be a step towards shifting the cost to those who actually incur them.
    You have no idea what you are talking about. Netflix pays for their bandwidth on their servers. I pay for my bandwidth to my machine. That price is expensive and includes all incidental costs needed to transport said data. Everyone is paying for what they use.

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