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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    QUOTE=Andalublue;1062792354]It all entirely depends on whether you are talking about relative poverty or absolute poverty. I don't think absolute poverty exists very much in the western world, but relative poverty certainly does. The bottom 5% of earners in a western country may have access to goods and services that are simply unavailable to almost everyone in a less developed nation. Working in rural Cambodia just 10 years ago, the wealthiest people in a village had none of the things a poor family in Europe or NA would think were essentials, such as a phone line, a car (roads virtually unusable except by 4x4 in the dry season), air conditioning, and yet were still considered rich.

    I think ideas of poverty (i.e. relative poverty) are incredibly culturally specific. For example, here in rural Spain, people will not judge a neighbour's wealth by the things they have so much as by how they display their wealth during collective occasions. The wealthiest farmer will drive around in a battered furgoneta (the ubiquitous mini-vans that are to southern Europe what the pick-up is to NA), and wear tatty old clothes that make him indistinguishable from his band of day workers, but when his son or daughter takes their first communion, or gets married, there will be 500 guests entertained entirely at the family's expense for a day or two. That's the family showing and having their wealth assessed by the rest of the community.

    Many, many poor people here will have some form of transport, often a dumper truck, a 20-year-old mini-van or moped, but without any motorised transport you're pretty much stuck in your village, most of which will have one or two service buses per day, usually departing for Granada at daybreak and returning at nightfall.

    So, of course you can own a car and still be relatively poor by the standards of your neighbours and compatriots. I just don't think you can be poor in an absolute sense (i.e. the inability to secure food, water, shelter and basic services) and own a car.[/QUOTE]

    I agree. Our poor make the poor in Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam and even Thailand look very wealthy indeed.

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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It's pretty impossible in moth areas to work without owning a vehicle.
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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I agree. Our poor make the poor in Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam and even Thailand look very wealthy indeed.
    Sorry? I don't understand this comment.
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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    That food one really gets to me.

    If only capitalism didn't get in the way of feeding people.
    I'm sure the socialists will fly plane-loads of food in any day now.
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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Sorry? I don't understand this comment.
    This is a case of fingers typing what the mind wasn't saying or the mind saying what the fingers weren't typing. I meant the exact opposite. Our poor look very wealthy to the poor in Southeast Asia and even to most in the middle class. Sorry about that.
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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    If this is poor, what is this?

    That's a person who makes 60k a year tax free.
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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    This is a case of fingers typing what the mind wasn't saying or the mind saying what the fingers weren't typing. I meant the exact opposite. Our poor look very wealthy to the poor in Southeast Asia and even to most in the middle class. Sorry about that.
    Ah, okay. Yes, I agree, although that's just in material terms. Not all riches can be measured in material terms. Once you achieve a basic level of material wealth (i.e. covering basic needs, however you judge those according to appropriate local standards, an increase in material wealth brings rapidly diminishing returns in terms of feelings of contentment, fulfilment, and wellbeing. This is why materially poorer societies generally exhibit radically lower levels of mental illness and personal and familial dysfunction than very affluent societies. In the West, our riches are literally driving us mad.
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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    That's a person who makes 60k a year tax free.
    Do you know him?

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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Ah, okay. Yes, I agree, although that's just in material terms. Not all riches can be measured in material terms. Once you achieve a basic level of material wealth (i.e. covering basic needs, however you judge those according to appropriate local standards, an increase in material wealth brings rapidly diminishing returns in terms of feelings of contentment, fulfilment, and wellbeing. This is why materially poorer societies generally exhibit radically lower levels of mental illness and personal and familial dysfunction than very affluent societies. In the West, our riches are literally driving us mad.
    I know what you mean. Here in the states it is always keep up with the Jones. It seems we covet what ever our neighbors have or the kid at school is wearing or a new car etc. Some of the most contented people I ever met were what were would describe as dirt poor in Laos, Vietnam and Thailand. Once they had their basic needs, it time for family. Real nice folks that makes me miss them today.
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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I know what you mean. Here in the states it is always keep up with the Jones. It seems we covet what ever our neighbors have or the kid at school is wearing or a new car etc. Some of the most contented people I ever met were what were would describe as dirt poor in Laos, Vietnam and Thailand. Once they had their basic needs, it time for family. Real nice folks that makes me miss them today.
    Yes, that was my impression of SE Asia too; materially poor, but spiritually and psychologically rich... and generous to a fault. What they had they shared, and I never once saw a Keep Out sign that wasn't referring to a land-mine field.
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