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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Hi fellas,

    I recall one film ("Pay it forward") where an old woman was a bum and at the same time was driving some gas-guzzler* around.

    So, if one has money for car and gas, should s/he be considered poor? Should s/he receive welfare, food stamps and such? Please, discuss.
    They should.
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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Probably. I'm just unimpressed with his usual low quality contributions. That's a ridiculously weak definition. "People who are poor are those who are poor."
    Not really. He was actually saying "in the USA, we call people "poor" if they are less than middle class, yet our poor have a lifestyle many countries middle class could never dream of."
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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    They should.
    Why is that? If you can maintain a car (which is not cheap at all), you ain't poor, imho. For example, I spent over $500 on my 16 years old car on maintenance last year. That doesn't even include the gas.
    But I guess the definition of "poor" has greatly changes over the years.

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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    It all entirely depends on whether you are talking about relative poverty or absolute poverty. I don't think absolute poverty exists very much in the western world, but relative poverty certainly does. The bottom 5% of earners in a western country may have access to goods and services that are simply unavailable to almost everyone in a less developed nation. Working in rural Cambodia just 10 years ago, the wealthiest people in a village had none of the things a poor family in Europe or NA would think were essentials, such as a phone line, a car (roads virtually unusable except by 4x4 in the dry season), air conditioning, and yet were still considered rich.

    I think ideas of poverty (i.e. relative poverty) are incredibly culturally specific. For example, here in rural Spain, people will not judge a neighbour's wealth by the things they have so much as by how they display their wealth during collective occasions. The wealthiest farmer will drive around in a battered furgoneta (the ubiquitous mini-vans that are to southern Europe what the pick-up is to NA), and wear tatty old clothes that make him indistinguishable from his band of day workers, but when his son or daughter takes their first communion, or gets married, there will be 500 guests entertained entirely at the family's expense for a day or two. That's the family showing and having their wealth assessed by the rest of the community.

    Many, many poor people here will have some form of transport, often a dumper truck, a 20-year-old mini-van or moped, but without any motorised transport you're pretty much stuck in your village, most of which will have one or two service buses per day, usually departing for Granada at daybreak and returning at nightfall.

    So, of course you can own a car and still be relatively poor by the standards of your neighbours and compatriots. I just don't think you can be poor in an absolute sense (i.e. the inability to secure food, water, shelter and basic services) and own a car.
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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Why is that? If you can maintain a car (which is not cheap at all), you ain't poor, imho. For example, I spent over $500 on my 16 years old car on maintenance last year. That doesn't even include the gas.
    But I guess the definition of "poor" has greatly changes over the years.
    A lot of poorer people don't maintain their cars as well as they'd like to. Which would explain all the worn down, screechy brakes in my neighborhood.
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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    A lot of poorer people don't maintain their cars as well as they'd like to. Which would explain all the worn down, screechy brakes in my neighborhood.
    Poor people.


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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Poor people.

    That food one really gets to me.

    If only capitalism didn't get in the way of feeding people.
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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    If only capitalism didn't get in the way of feeding people.
    If it didn't, it would cease to exist.
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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Hi fellas,

    I recall one film ("Pay it forward") where an old woman was a bum and at the same time was driving some gas-guzzler* around.

    So, if one has money for car and gas, should s/he be considered poor? Should s/he receive welfare, food stamps and such? Please, discuss.


    * (well, at least from European perspective )
    I don’t know. In our society one can be considered poor, own a car, own a 52 inch TV, wear the latest fashions, have a cell phone etc. But because they make below a certain amount of money, they are poor. But poor by our definition is not poor by quite a lot of other countries, especially in the third world. I have lived in Thailand, Laos and Vietnam, believe their poor are poor. They view our poor as millionaires when considering the living conditions their poor live in. Well at least middle class if not lower upper class when comparing countries. So the question is, are we comparing apples to oranges when we compare who is poor and their living conditions between us and other countries? I would guess we take care of our poor a lot better than most countries in the world, the exceptions may be in Europe and not having studied or researched it, I really can’t say one way or the other.

    But we are an affluent society; shouldn’t our poor have a higher standard of living than those of most other countries? Is it wrong for our poor to be ranked as middle class or above in other countries? Do we really want our poor to live like the poor do in some of the countries of Southeast Asia?

    So was the woman you described really poor? Not by probably most of the countries outside of Europe and North America. But she definitely could be considered poor by western standards. I think that is because with us, being poor is based on the amount of money one makes or has coming in. Not on their living conditions or what assets they have or own. I guess poor is subjective.
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    Re: Could people with cars be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Hi fellas,

    I recall one film ("Pay it forward") where an old woman was a bum and at the same time was driving some gas-guzzler* around.

    So, if one has money for car and gas, should s/he be considered poor? Should s/he receive welfare, food stamps and such? Please, discuss.


    * (well, at least from European perspective )
    Well...in the US public transportation in a lot of places suck/is no available and people live pretty far from where they have to work. It's pretty impossible in moth areas to work without owning a vehicle. When you start talking about rural areas without a vehicles you're ****ed.
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