View Poll Results: What is your view on climate change?

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  • It occurs naturally regardless of how severe or minute those changes are.

    20 31.75%
  • It occurs naturally with small and severe changes, some of it is anthropogenic.

    28 44.44%
  • It occurs naturally with small changes,but severe changes are anthropogenic.

    8 12.70%
  • It does not occur naturally, any changes we have now are anthropogenic.

    3 4.76%
  • Climate change does not occur.There is no global warming or cooling.

    0 0%
  • I do not know/other.

    4 6.35%
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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    My view on 'Climate Change' and on change in general is that it is going to happen whether anyone wants it or not.

    Don't think so?- Wait and see.

    Just talking about this is a waste of time.

    Those who don't prepare for it will suffer the consequences.





    Anyone who thinks that the human race has no control over, and can't affect what happens on this planet is out of touch with reality.




    "Better days are coming." ~But not for those who are out of touch and running out of time like some people in the GOP.

    I know in many parts of the country there is a saying that if you do not like the weather then just wait a minute it will change on you.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    1.I do not own a seaside home.
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    .A seaside home being destroyed by natural forces is not proof of man made climate change.



    Who said anything about man-made climate change?

    It certainly wasn't me.

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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I used to be a climate change denier, trusting the spokesmen from my political team as the honest and ethical ones on any issue. However, in recently years I'm been forced to rethink that assessment and consider all sides and positions more objectively. At present the most honest answer is I'm not sure but this one thing I have concluded, I don't trust the people speaking the loudest against climate change's legitimacy farther than I can throw and elephant. .
    I have never been a natural climate change denier.The earth's climate changes its how we go in and out of ice ages and many times those changes will be severe and many times those changes will be severe.


    - Air pollution is so bad in some American cities due to internal combustion engine car exhaust weather forecasters issue smog alerts.

    - In cities with high levels of internal combustion engine car exhaust medical experts say the population in those cities suffer much higher incidents of chronic respiratory health issues, especially children.

    - An entire region of Louisiana where much of the state's petroleum industry is concentrated has become known as "Cancer Alley" due to the much higher incidents of cancer from among its residents. Full disclosure: Efforts have been made to dismiss the health concerns of Cancer Alley residents as "normal," possibly PR actions made by groups with vested interests in the petroleum industry. Not sure.

    - There's no question that the 9/11 attacks on the WTC, the War in Afghanistan response, The war in Iraq, the Patriot Act where Americans lost many of their privacy rights, TSA airport body screeners that deny Americans privacy over their own bodies, Operation Desert Storm, the US Embassy in Iran hostage crisis in the 1970s, a batch of dictators controlling the US economy via OPEC and North Korea's entry into the nuclear club all without exception trace their roots to the petroleum oligopoly over personal transportation.

    Even if global warming is a complete lie, why on earth would any American want any of this and more to continue? What I think is a big motive is political tribalism and not resisting efforts toward energy modernization means their side is giving in to the "environmentalist wackos" and ignore everything except the climate change debate, which they deny is based in truth
    Those are issues separate of climate change. Trying to tie in pollution issues with climate change as though if you do not believe in the man made global warming fairy tale religion then somehow you are for pollution in your city, lake or water supply is a dishonest tactic by the man made global warming fairy tale crowd.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Who said anything about man-made climate change?

    It certainly wasn't me.
    If you didn't then I apologize.However the man made global warming fairy tale side often tries to paint anyone who doesn't believe in man made global warming religion as a denier of climate change regardless if that person does or doesn't believe in climate change.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post

    I don't know what "equiliberate" means but the climate has not moved for the last 15 or so years.


    The period 1970 to 1998 saw fairly quick warming. That's as scary as it is.



    Equilibrate means to bring into or keep in equilibrium

    More here: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/equilibrate

    Now you know.
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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I have never been a natural climate change denier.The earth's climate changes its how we go in and out of ice ages and many times those changes will be severe and many times those changes will be severe.



    Those are issues separate of climate change. Trying to tie in pollution issues with climate change as though if you do not believe in the man made global warming fairy tale religion then somehow you are for pollution in your city, lake or water supply is a dishonest tactic by the man made global warming fairy tale crowd.
    What I'm saying is many of the same solutions to addressing global warming are things we ought to be pursuing anyway for other reasons. Even if not everyone thinks man has done anything to cause and cannot do anything to prevent climate change, surely we can agree on reducing pollution, ending the despots control over much of our economy, defunding nuclear proliferation in the hands of America's adversaries and stop the funding of Anti-Americanism that both motivates and finances mass murder against Americans. If we strategically deal with those issues, we get the environmentalist wackos to unwittingly join forces with us. We fire the dictators from their control the US economy job. Nuclear proliferation runs out of money. Anti-American middle eastern propaganda as well as the terrorism it inspires goes bankrupt. We don't end up inadvertently driving the Middle-East into dangerous alliances with China and Russia at our own peril; instead Chin, Russia and the rest of the world are buying American made electric car exports.

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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I believe climate change occurs naturally regardless of how minute or severe those changes are.It is something that has been going on for billions of years on this planet and it is stupid to use a hundred or two hundred years of temperatures changes to claim we are having man made induced climate change. If the billions of years of climate change was a bucket of water the last 100-200 years would be microscopic drop of water.
    So the widened hole in the ozone layer, our reaction to it, and it's subsequent behavior was a cosmic fluke?

    Lake Erie wasn't almost dead from man's waste, it was just a "normal cycle" of nature?

    Billions of barrels of oil that burned off in Kuwait "just happened" to coincide with atmospheric behavior similar to a volcanic eruption?

    Yeah, OK ... lol!
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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    What I'm saying is many of the same solutions to addressing global warming are things we ought to be pursuing anyway for other reasons.
    Those issues should be pursued on their own merits instead of slapping on the man made global warming issue to it. For example stopping water pollution should be pursued because polluted water is harmful to humans and lifeforms.Slapping the al gore oh my god the world is going to warm is just going to turn people away and make it seem its more about global warming than fighting water pollution.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    #2 most closely fits my current understanding, with the caveat that I'm not fully convinced any anthropogenic changes have occurred or will occur, barring some drastic change in the activities of humans. I chose #2 because I'm not aware of any severe changes in the climate.


    I have not really looked into the information on the topic much, though, so if I do at some point, that understanding will likely change
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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Well...it's colder tonight then this afternoon...so the climate has changed.

    It's true.

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