View Poll Results: What is your view on climate change?

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  • It occurs naturally regardless of how severe or minute those changes are.

    20 31.75%
  • It occurs naturally with small and severe changes, some of it is anthropogenic.

    28 44.44%
  • It occurs naturally with small changes,but severe changes are anthropogenic.

    8 12.70%
  • It does not occur naturally, any changes we have now are anthropogenic.

    3 4.76%
  • Climate change does not occur.There is no global warming or cooling.

    0 0%
  • I do not know/other.

    4 6.35%
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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    There is much more effective solutions. A Space Based Solar Network (SBSN) could provide the power demand of the entire world three times over and provide energy at half the cost that we are paying now. I read a business plan, and essentially the fuel for the space planes, space planes, launching facilities, and materials themselves would cost 100 billion dollars over 10 years. These costs does not include R&D facilities and all labor. I am not educated enough on the subject to give an accurate estimate on the rest of the project, but we could be safe in our assumptions. Let's assume 100 billion dollars for 10 years, to a total of 1 trillion dollars.

    If we really wanted to as a country, through deficit spending we could solve the entire world's energy needs if we wanted to. And, we could transition the network to the private sector. The beauty of this is this method will produce excess energy 24 hours a day. The network will be capable to produce three times the world's demand of power. Therefore, there is room for development across the globe. There is absolutely no pollution. There would have to be no fly zones over power retrieval stations across the globe, but there are no fly zones across nuclear power plants.

    The NASA design of such a network is compartmentalized. This basically means they can add more, or take away compartments, based off of repair or upgrades. The network could probably be scaled past the 155 TW marker when we need it to.

    To me that is a solution because it ends the debate. We wouldn't release carbon powering the grid at least, and we could rest at ease in the fact that we would greatly reduce the amount of CO2 released into the air. The deficit spending isn't a big deal in my opinion (I don't want to get into a debate about economics). I've written my representatives though, and the republican who actually wrote back to me, said he only wants to harness the available carbon resources in the country. He has no interest in such a project.

    To me that smells of lobby.

    But I think this system of continuing to make hydrocarbons is a bad idea. What is so bad about harnessing the sun?
    I like bold ideas, and Space Based Solar Network (SBSN) definitely fits there, but we are a long way from
    that being practical, and we would still need to convert the power into a portable storage mechanism like hydrocarbons.
    Man made hydrocarbons use atmospheric Co2 to make the hydrocarbons, and so are 100% carbon neutral.
    The source of the energy is another matter. SBSN, if the technology and cost could be validated as viable
    could be a good source for power.
    Storing the energy as hydrocarbons, would be an easy way to adapt it to existing infrastructures.

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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Which may be a symptom of the problem.

    The last fifteen years have been about the warmest fifteen year stretch we have ever measured directly on the planet. Nine of the ten hottest years have all occured in the last fifteen years or so.

    Leave the complicated stuff to the educated people, OK? My knowledge of science is fairly extensive, but I would never presume to tell a climatologist he's wrong. Especially if I didnt understand basic scientific issues like equilibrium.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber

    I don't know what "equiliberate" means....
    I have been comfortable using and understanding the word equilibrium since about the age of 11.

    Which climatologist have I told that they are wrong?

    I have, as far as I am aware, simply pointed out that the IPCC has predicted a very minor sea level rise etc and that I challenge anyone to show me anything which suggests that they have underestimated the issue. Can you?

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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Smegol,

    I (generally called denier/devil/whatever by the wramists) agree that having new power sources rather than oil and coal will be fantastic. I just think that what we are doing in regards the this AGW drivel is madness which will do vastly more harm than good.

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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    I do believe that the worlds climate is changing and that is being driven by the destructive nature of humans.
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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Obviously, natural forces have changed the planet many times over, and mankind will likely be wiped off the planet one day by a meteor or the next ice age.
    BUT, our recent (last 100 years) activity of digging up millions of years of stored CO2 and pumping it into the atmosphere is having a deleterious effect.
    Every scientific org agrees. Our only disagreements should be in the ways to reduce and capture C02.

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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    I have been comfortable using and understanding the word equilibrium since about the age of 11.

    Which climatologist have I told that they are wrong?

    I have, as far as I am aware, simply pointed out that the IPCC has predicted a very minor sea level rise etc and that I challenge anyone to show me anything which suggests that they have underestimated the issue. Can you?
    Sea level rise is estimated to be somewhere between .5 and 1 meter+ via IPCC. Other estimates put the higher risk at 2 meters.

    This is going to be pretty challenging for coastal habitation, according to people who devote their lives to studying this stuff. Its not a minor rise at all.

    RealClimate: Sea level in the 5th IPCC report

    Want to see what a 1 meter rise will do to the world coastlines? Check out this map.
    Flood Maps
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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
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    I think it is you who should get a grip.

    You wish us all to take action based on ...... erm... nothing you are willing to describe.....[
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    Actually I don't 'wish anyone to do anything'. Those are your words.

    What I said was that if people who live where rising sea levels are projected don't react appropriately they will have a problem.

    It's their possible problem and it's their choice.

    I don't give a damn what they do or don't do because it won't affect me.
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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Sea level rise is estimated to be somewhere between .5 and 1 meter+ via IPCC. Other estimates put the higher risk at 2 meters.

    This is going to be pretty challenging for coastal habitation, according to people who devote their lives to studying this stuff. Its not a minor rise at all.

    RealClimate: Sea level in the 5th IPCC report

    Want to see what a 1 meter rise will do to the world coastlines? Check out this map.
    Flood Maps
    Depending on which measuring method you like, NOAA tide gauges vs Satellite,
    the average Sea Level rise is between 1.14 mm/year (Gauge) to 3.3 mm/year (satellite)
    So at the current rates, it will take between 300 and 877 years for sea levels to raise 1 meter.
    To get to 1 meter by year 2100, the rate of the rise is going to have to increase, a lot.
    I still question the discrepancy between the gauges and satellite measurements.

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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Depending on which measuring method you like, NOAA tide gauges vs Satellite,
    the average Sea Level rise is between 1.14 mm/year (Gauge) to 3.3 mm/year (satellite)
    So at the current rates, it will take between 300 and 877 years for sea levels to raise 1 meter.
    To get to 1 meter by year 2100, the rate of the rise is going to have to increase, a lot.
    I still question the discrepancy between the gauges and satellite measurements.
    While an analysis by 'Longview' is quite compelling, I think I'll take the expert opinions over yours, thank you.
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    Re: What is your view on climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Come back and tell us all about it after your seaside home is destroyed by climate change.

    What causes climate change doesn't really matter.

    What does matter is that those who don't prepare for it will suffer the consequences.

    Wait and see.

    I have little pity for those who, out of wrong-headed stupidity don't prepare and let mother nature destroy what they have built.
    1.I do not own a seaside home.
    2.A seaside home being destroyed by natural forces is not proof of man made climate change.
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