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Thread: Sophistication,honesty, or a bit of both?

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    Sophistication,honesty, or a bit of both?

    Okay so I am curious, there has been for years a slight against people who are rural in nature and aren't necessarily the best educated or most traveled people. So here is the question, is it better to be worldly but dishonest or unsophisticated but good at heart? The reason I ask is that I've been thinking of a really rural parish in which my folks owned a camp for years prior to hurricane Rita, some of my favorite type of people lived along the route but they were not scholarly types, just people living their lives and being the best people they could be..............salt of the Earth types in my opinion and worth thousands of "scholarly peers".
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    Re: Sophistication,honesty, or a bit of both?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Okay so I am curious, there has been for years a slight against people who are rural in nature and aren't necessarily the best educated or most traveled people. So here is the question, is it better to be worldly but dishonest or unsophisticated but good at heart? The reason I ask is that I've been thinking of a really rural parish in which my folks owned a camp for years prior to hurricane Rita, some of my favorite type of people lived along the route but they were not scholarly types, just people living their lives and being the best people they could be..............salt of the Earth types in my opinion and worth thousands of "scholarly peers".
    Problem is, that without the sophistication we would often make decisions that are well meant but catastrophic.

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    Re: Sophistication,honesty, or a bit of both?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Problem is, that without the sophistication we would often make decisions that are well meant but catastrophic.


    Are you saying that sophistication eliminates the possibility of bad decisions?

    Please frame your response in terms of the sophistication of Washington DC and the litany of catastrophes that are decisioned into existence on an hourly basis.
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    Re: Sophistication,honesty, or a bit of both?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Are you saying that sophistication eliminates the possibility of bad decisions?

    Please frame your response in terms of the sophistication of Washington DC and the litany of catastrophes that are decisioned into existence on an hourly basis.
    I was thinking of a discussion in this forum from a few days ago. The decent economic prescriptions were such that they were well intentioned but lacked the sophistication of formal economic knowledge. Following their prescription would cause desperate conditions in the long run. Though what good meaning honest people would think right the lack of sophistication or in this case basic formal education would achieve Satan's delight.

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    Re: Sophistication,honesty, or a bit of both?

    From observation, and please know that I don't care much for over generalizations, it is those lacking worldliness who are the ones who care, but mostly about themselves, if that.
    From inner cities to Eastern KY to the LA bayous, streets littered with filth, dogs and cats running amok, houses and buildings barely holding up.
    Scholarly types, the more sophisticated ones, tend to keep neat and tidy.
    Now, I am not judging, saying its good or bad, or that I know what's going on behind the walls. But I dare to say that, its all fine and well to mind your own business and live any way you please, if you are one person in the middle of nowhere. But if you live anywhere near others, where others can and must interact with you, please adhere to some sort of standard. It is you who lowers or rises my property value, trashes or beautifies an area in which we live, makes it enjoyable or a nightmare to take a stroll with my dogs, depending on how many stray dogs roam the neighborhood.
    is it better to be worldly but dishonest or unsophisticated but good at heart?
    It depends. Good hearted and utterly selfish, or sophisticated and caring about others as well.
    People don't really like being told what to do, scream for least interference in their lives, but those who lack common courtesy are really the ones who should be told.
    What works well? Army housing. Strict adherence to guidelines or else, whether you come from rural or more fancy homes. Learn it, live it, keep it, for only if you care about others as much as yourself, are you what you think you are.

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    Re: Sophistication,honesty, or a bit of both?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I was thinking of a discussion in this forum from a few days ago. The decent economic prescriptions were such that they were well intentioned but lacked the sophistication of formal economic knowledge. Following their prescription would cause desperate conditions in the long run. Though what good meaning honest people would think right the lack of sophistication or in this case basic formal education would achieve Satan's delight.


    Economics is not that complicated a thing to figure out. On the household level, if there is not enough money to go around, you need to get more money into that little economy to make it run right. This can be accomplished by stopping some of the outflow or increasing the income.

    Take this to the national level and the same thing applies. We can immediately decrease the outflow by stopping the purchase of foreign oil.

    There are two sources to increase the income: Free up the reserves of the those who are holding money domestically and increase exports.

    Domestic investors are collectively terrorized by the current uncertainties in this economy and part of that is due to the government and part is due to the pessimism that pervades the culture.

    Governmentally, the Administration needs to remove the stops and allow the Keystone Pipeline, commit to a program of creating a viable method to burn coal cleanly and commit to a policy that ends oil imports by 2020. These three policies would create an economic boom like the 90's. This would in effect increase the income to the nation.

    Jobs like the ones created by these policies would be jobs that are paid with money from "outside" the system. Every job like these creates another 5 jobs to support them. Take a look at North Dakota where the workers at McDonalds start the first day at $15.00/hour. They are not paid by the oil companies, but they are paid with the money that TRICKLES DOWN from the oil companies.

    Taxing and redistributing is like raising the allowance of one household child while reducing the allowance of another. No actual gain there, just an administrative system of penalty and reward based on capricious and immoral stupidity with no future.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Sophistication,honesty, or a bit of both?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Economics is not that complicated a thing to figure out. On the household level, if there is not enough money to go around, you need to get more money into that little economy to make it run right. This can be accomplished by stopping some of the outflow or increasing the income.

    Take this to the national level and the same thing applies. We can immediately decrease the outflow by stopping the purchase of foreign oil.

    There are two sources to increase the income: Free up the reserves of the those who are holding money domestically and increase exports.

    Domestic investors are collectively terrorized by the current uncertainties in this economy and part of that is due to the government and part is due to the pessimism that pervades the culture.

    Governmentally, the Administration needs to remove the stops and allow the Keystone Pipeline, commit to a program of creating a viable method to burn coal cleanly and commit to a policy that ends oil imports by 2020. These three policies would create an economic boom like the 90's. This would in effect increase the income to the nation.

    Jobs like the ones created by these policies would be jobs that are paid with money from "outside" the system. Every job like these creates another 5 jobs to support them. Take a look at North Dakota where the workers at McDonalds start the first day at $15.00/hour. They are not paid by the oil companies, but they are paid with the money that TRICKLES DOWN from the oil companies.

    Taxing and redistributing is like raising the allowance of one household child while reducing the allowance of another. No actual gain there, just an administrative system of penalty and reward based on capricious and immoral stupidity with no future.
    In general terms that sounds fine.

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    Re: Sophistication,honesty, or a bit of both?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Okay so I am curious, there has been for years a slight against people who are rural in nature and aren't necessarily the best educated or most traveled people. So here is the question, is it better to be worldly but dishonest or unsophisticated but good at heart? The reason I ask is that I've been thinking of a really rural parish in which my folks owned a camp for years prior to hurricane Rita, some of my favorite type of people lived along the route but they were not scholarly types, just people living their lives and being the best people they could be..............salt of the Earth types in my opinion and worth thousands of "scholarly peers".
    Being unsophisticated and good at heart, but only because of the dishonesty of the first one.

    I think in general treating each other kindly and having worldly knowledge are both good traits. I also don't think you'll find unsophisticated people more likely to treat everyone kindly than well educated people.
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    Re: Sophistication,honesty, or a bit of both?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Being unsophisticated and good at heart, but only because of the dishonesty of the first one.

    I think in general treating each other kindly and having worldly knowledge are both good traits. I also don't think you'll find unsophisticated people more likely to treat everyone kindly than well educated people.
    Definitely. I am speaking of a specific mindset of rural people that I would run across when my folks had a little getaway, they were some of the nicest people you would ever meet but weren't traveled or further educated. I've seen some very unrefined and uneducated people that are the absolute worst, and I have seen some well traveled people who are an absolute joy to hang out with.
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    Re: Sophistication,honesty, or a bit of both?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Problem is, that without the sophistication we would often make decisions that are well meant but catastrophic.
    I can agree to that, then again there are folks who overestimate their own experience and knowledge and have the same catastrophic results. I've found that unsophisticated people who are also nice tend to be modest, so they are more likely to do their thing and stay out of the way of others. Just my opinion on the latter though.
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