None.
That's just my opinion, which could be wrong, let's wait and see, eh?
Wait and see. I am not a prophet. Maybe this way and that.Did you say farce or force?
Oh in that case, your country is being destroyed by greed.
Says someone who lives in Europe.:roll: You are one naive individual if don't perceive the problems this country is facing..
t.Wait and see. I am not a prophet. Maybe this way and tha
That is your opinion.
Which you are entitled to and I will ignore.
"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
Peoples opinion on that varies depending upon their income level.
Those at the top would probably say that greed is making the USA a better place.
It all depends upon a persons point of view.
The Tea Party will disappear in the next thirty years.
Wait and see.
Kreton;1062798281[B said:[/B]]If those at the top are the only ones happy then my point stands.
)Is that "wishful thinking", shrubnose? Or just possitive thinking? :
Well, certainly Democrats share nothing in common with what was called Democrat 30 years ago. For example, the radicals known as Progressives have infected the Democrat party, and seem hellbent on creating more economic problems like they have in California. When the citizens in the other 49 states truley understand the damage they are causing, they will eliminate the movement, just as it was eliminated in the early 1900's.
IMO, these are cyclic societal outbreaks that are no different than those of the past, and from which the country will return from, as it continues with it's capitalist and freedom focused foundation.
You are obviously not a student of political history.
You apparently are not a aware the Dems of 30 years ago had a bench that included Ted Kennedy, Walter Mondale, Gary Hart, George McGovern, William Proxmire, Alan Cranston, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Paul Tsongas, Bill Bradley, Howard Metenbaum..... most of these senators would have no prayer of even being nominated at Dems today as they are far too liberal by 2014 standards. Sorry, but Dems, like the Cons have lurched far to the right over the past 30 years.... The party is scarily devoid of liberals that could be elected to national office.
BTW...the economy in California is doing ok,,,,
California economic recovery leads nation - San Francisco Business Times
If you want to blame Democratic leadership for the perception it is screwed up, do you credit democratic leadership if it is, in fact, firming up?
Oh, I'm quite the student of political history, especially the political history of California. As it is, the issue is Progressivism, and the dominating position this philosophy has taken in the Democrat agenda.
As to who is more left, I think the actions taken Democrats in power over recent years to establish the ruling of citizens by unanswerable Regulatory Agencies firmly establishes todays Democrats as rather extreme leftists.
As far a California is concerned, the reporting of the economics here, as created by the liberal/progressives in control, should be considered a crime of omission. The surplus being reported only exists because the Progressives decided not to pay back the billions they borrowed from things like the Highway Fund, to balance previous budgets. This doesn't begin to include the deferred payments in the amounts of billions to meet minimum funding standards for public employee pay and benefits.
Then there is the train to nowhere the Unions are forcing Progressives to continue pushing, against the will of the people who were lied to, and which is projected to cost the state billions of dollars every year to subsidize.
No, California is indeed the petrie dish, and the stench can't be hidden, despite the delusion of those who desperately defend the carnage.
Many factors affect one's outlook about various things - history, current events, politics, religion, media, family & friends, personal character traits, life experiences, environment, upbringing, education, etc. etc. etc.
Just curious. Nothing ulterior, just curiosity.
What is your outlook re the future of the United States of America - and maybe why?
Very Optimistic
Somewhat Optimistic
Dunno
Somewhat Pessimistic
Very Pessimistic
Even a conservative, Bruce Bartlett, disagrees. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2...blican-tax-policy/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
Also here:
California voters approved Proposition 13 to rein in property taxes that had doubled in 10 years. More than three decades later, that rebellion has mortgaged the state’s future, saddling it with the nation’s highest debt and lowest credit rating.
California Diminished by Tax Revolt of 1978 Shows How U.S. Invites Decline - Bloomberg
Starve the Beast policies championed by the Repubs only left many a place in massive debt.
Even a conservative, Bruce Bartlett, disagrees. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2...blican-tax-policy/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
Also here:
California voters approved Proposition 13 to rein in property taxes that had doubled in 10 years. More than three decades later, that rebellion has mortgaged the state’s future, saddling it with the nation’s highest debt and lowest credit rating.
California Diminished by Tax Revolt of 1978 Shows How U.S. Invites Decline - Bloomberg
Starve the Beast policies championed by the Repubs only left many a place in massive debt.
Insanity. But oh so typical from the wack jobs on the left.
In 1999, when Gray Davis, Democrat, took office as Govenor of California, his Republican predesessor, Pete Wilson, handed him a state with a $16 billion budget surplus. With Prop 13, how was such a thing possible? Recalled for his spending insanity, (See his approval of AB 400, Public Employee Pension Plan that has destroyed California's Finances) California has yet to recover, and has only recently, for the first time in over a decade, shown a surplus caused only by the takers who vote in California deciding the rich needed to cover even more of their living expenses. Isn't it interesting how Progressives love to insult the rich, yet demand they fund their lives? Interesting approach.
Frankly, it's quite simple to vaporize the liberal opinions of biased rags like the NY Times, and Bloomberg with the simple observation that despite the attempts to limit the legislatures ability to raise taxes, California has the highest income taxes and sales taxes in the Nation. Again, how is that possible?
Forgotten by the partisal bots at the Times and Bloomberg, is that the measure is revenue. Property values in California are, on average, considerably higher than in any other state in the US. As a result, revenue generated by Property Taxes places California squarely in the middle of all revenues per property in the country. Would you, the NYT, or Bloomberg, suggest that Property taxes should also be the highest in the Nation, along with income taxes and sales taxes?
In the end, the points you've attempted to make only result in a massive fail. It's understandable why so many Progressives fear full knowledge of what they have done in California will get out. It's their worst nightmare, and indefensible, even by the minions who try.
What kind of screwball debate is this ???
We are either improving or we are not ....
Charts and graphs ?
stats?
And NOT from the biased and prejudged either.....there must be some honest sources.....
NPR ?
I believe that we have a good future, BUT we must work on education , trust in government..
Campaign and campaign finance reform are vital to this...
What works is a balance between the Conservatives and liberals....maybe we should rename the political parties...
Communists
Liberals
Democratic-Republicans
Conservatives
Libertarians