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What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of America?

What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of America?


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Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

I get what your all about. It's didn't take long. Don't need to know anything more.:2wave:
You're. It.

I understand.

I hope you soon feel better. Regards, homie.
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

Looking at just the earth's mass is myopic. The only thing that is relevant to us is the biosphere. If we continue to destroy it in pursuit of the earth's mass then the huge numbers you quote will be irrelevant. The biosphere exists on a thin slice of the surface, much like bacteria on our skin. If conditions aren't right, we all die. It's not hysteria or political agendas, it's mere scientific fact. All the oil spills, fracking, and fukushima are literally killing the biosphere. Species are dying at unprecedented rates, not because of global warming even, but because of our human waste.

I just don't understand the ideology behind technological elitism that continues to blindly go forward under the assumption that we will always be able to solve our problems with new tech. Technology always provides short term gains and new long term challenges. People often site medical advances for why humans are now living so long, but what's the point of extending the life of someone who is essentially contributing nothing to human advancement, and watches TV all day while stuffing their face?



Translation: don't think about the future, just do what's needed now. I feel personally responsible for future generations of not only humans, but other living beings on this planet. I feel a kindred relationship with all of them, probably because I was raised in a natural environment and had regular access to nature. Most humans live in urban ghettos now, completely divorced from their source of life. It's hard for me to live knowing that most of the systems I am plugged into are in some way contributing to the suffering or death of so many of our ecological brethren.

Eventually, the world ideal must change - growth should no longer be desirable, but rather the ideal economic growth, both globally and locally, should be 0%. We should strive to control resources, populations, and economic systems to the extent that this will become both livable and sustainable. Financing in this new world should be done on a similar basis - at extremely low, if any interest, with tight controls and strict repayment schedules. Also, Nation states should no longer be permitted to accumulate debt. In addition, no longer will our natural resources undergo raping and pillaging to sustain our energy needs, which can hopefully be cut by a factor of 10-25 within a generation.

It's not a step backwards. It's an acknowledgement that the human race has become large and sophisticated enough to balance itself at an ideal level, in terms of size and societal comfort. Our ambitions shouldn't be tempered, but rather more focused. The childish need to flaunt status through how much disposable crap you have should be looked down upon. The survival of humanity is no longer in question (outside of self-destruction or act of God), and we do not need 10 billion people on the planet; nor do we need any of them to be billionaires. It will require a massive jolt to dislodge ourselves from our current, reckless trajectory, but it will be worth it. Make no mistake though, we will be dislodged either way, whether it's by our own will or an act of nature. If the biosphere is degraded enough, we are finished.

How is it nearsighted to point out that our planet is enormous and elementally rich? If all that matters is the 'biosphere' then it is of critical importance since the biosphere is nothing more than the sum of our ecosystems... which might better be understood as our planet. Using the definition you seem to be advancing it wouldn't make sense to pay more than a passing glace at the prodigious mineral resources that lie beneath our feet which is of course ridiculous.

Moreover you are advancing astonishingly unsupported claims. There is no compelling evidence whatsoever that 'oil spills, fracking, and fukushima are literally killing the biosphere'. AGW is certainly a real and human centric phenomena but it is correlated to the sum of our industrial output not to micro events like an oil spill. Not to mention that there is ample evidence that natural gas development reduces carbon output, while nuclear most assuredly does.

While the assumption that we will always be able to innovate ourselves out of scarcity, obstacles, and other impediments rooted in the fact that we always have. It's a fairly good precedent.

All you've really said is that you don't trust technology, think the biosphere is being poisoned, and without evidence argued that the 'growth model' has reached its limits despite evidence presented that such thinking has been very wrong in the past.
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

You are probably right. Then again, the tea baggers have about as much in common as the patriots that founded the country as today's Republicans have in common with the Grand Ole Party.... How do they say that? Republicans in Name Only; Patriots in their mind only....

Well, certainly Democrats share nothing in common with what was called Democrat 30 years ago. For example, the radicals known as Progressives have infected the Democrat party, and seem hellbent on creating more economic problems like they have in California. When the citizens in the other 49 states truley understand the damage they are causing, they will eliminate the movement, just as it was eliminated in the early 1900's.

IMO, these are cyclic societal outbreaks that are no different than those of the past, and from which the country will return from, as it continues with it's capitalist and freedom focused foundation.
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

I live in "anticipation of a civil war". Any optimism. I do not believe, even, that healthy forces in the country will win.




I have no idea how long you will live, but you will not live to see a civil war in the USA.

Wait and see.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

I think feminism has done irreputable damage.
It has destroyed the family and destabalized society. I think we will be in for a rude awakening within the next 2 generations.




That's your opinion.

Which you are entitled to and with which I and the majority of Americans disagree.

Misogyny has done a lot more damage to the USA than feminism ever did.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

It's against my nature but, given the history of other countries that have traveled down the same road we're on...very pessimistic.




I sincerely hope that you live long enough to learn how very wrong you are.


Have a nice day.

I hope that you enjoy it, even though I'm sure that you'll find something wrong with it.
 
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Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

I have no idea how long you will live, but you will not live to see a civil war in the USA.

Wait and see.

Sorry shrubnose, it's just a quote.

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Salvador Dali painting "Premonition of Civil War".
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

Sorry shrubnose, it's just a quote.

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Salvador Dali painting "Premonition of Civil War".




Hey, no problem I use a lot of quotes myself from time to time.

I know that things don't look too great in the USA for a lot of people, but you can't give up hope- if we do that we are really and truly done.

If I didn't have hope I wouldn't even bother to get up out of bed in the morning.

Better days are coming, if we work together and make them happen.
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

Where's the "we're ****ed" option?

I'm clicking the screen, I think I'm doing it wrong.




Maybe you're right-clicking when you should be left-clicking.
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

Desabalized Society? I'm not from the USA I recently moved here but I am curious why you believe that. I though feminism movement was to be able to vote and work with the same wages as men... I don't know how that could destroy the family lifestyle.... could you eleborate ?

Yeah, that's what I thought it was too. It's only partly true.
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

...but will it survive the tea baggers?

You mean gay marriage?
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

IMO, America has virtually no chance of maintaining it's financial and military superiority for much longer...maybe a decade or two.

She is already having to resort to the old fall back position when some empires (military or economic) start to erode...massive debt.

Unless other world powers have huge troubles (like China when it eventually gives up on communism) or there is a major war soon...America being the big kid (bully?) on the block's days are numbered, IMO.

Will she be powerful after that? Yes, very. But not almost all-powerful as she is today.
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

We (The United States) created our "modern" infrastructure first, and therefore it is the oldest modern infrastructure in the world. It is crumbling. The things we do build and fix today, we build them only to last short term.
We are falling behind the entire world with our infrastructure to the point that many 3rd world Nations have aspects that are greater than our own.

Our education is falling behind the rest of the world with almost every 3rd world Asian Nation coming in ahead of us.
Instead of making improvements we are falling farther behind each year. Instead of teaching our children modern science, we are letting right wing fanatics stop our children from learning.

We do have some of the best medical care in the world for our rich. But for our poor, our medical care ranks among the worst on the planet with Nations like Cuba putting us to shame.
For our average citizen, lifespan and other medical stats are lagging behind the rest of the world. We continue to put the most money into it and get the least for our dollar.

Our politics has become completely dishonest. Most everything that comes out of the Right Wing is a complete deception. Non stop fake scandals and untruths are pumped out with unity.
Our Right Wing is completely fanatical and bent on our destruction, yet our Left Wing, if left unchecked, will swing too far left and create damage almost as severe.

I could come up with a lot more topics but am out of time.
Our future is bleak at best.




Your future might look bleak to you, but our future looks pretty good to me.
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

...but will it survive the tea baggers?




In the not-distant future the Tea Party will have about the same level of influence and power in the USA as the John Birch Society currently has.

It may not disappear but it will have no power.
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

I doubt it will survive without them, or at least their attitudes towards the importance of smaller government. The size of government is overwhelming the citizenry.

If you believe that the problem with America is the Tea Party then it's clear you are part of the problem alluded to a couple of posts ago.




The Tea Party will disappear in the next thirty years.

Wait and see.
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

The greed and self centeredness of the people of this country from the president down to the poor is destroying our country.




It might be destroying your country, but my country is looking pretty good.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

It might be destroying your country, but my country is looking pretty good.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

Where are you?
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

Better days are coming, if we work together and make them happen.

We have already "work together" on my socialist homeland. Аs a result, the USSR disappeared from the maps of the world. So it's not the best way of development.
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

The Tea Party will disappear in the next thirty years.

Wait and see.

And which psychic did you consult for that gem? Or are YOU psychic?!?
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

The Tea Party will disappear in the next thirty years.

Wait and see.

Or become a real political force. Wait and see.
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

It doesn't really matter.

I'm a citizen of the USA no matter where I am.

And I have always been an optimist.

Oh in that case, your country is being destroyed by greed.
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

I sincerely hope that you live long enough to learn how very wrong you are.


Have a nice day.

I hope that you enjoy it, even though I'm sure that you'll find something wrong with it.

Says someone who lives in Europe.:roll: You are one naive individual if don't perceive the problems this country is facing..
 
Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

And which psychic did you consult for that gem
? Or are YOU psychic?!?




None.

That's just my opinion, which could be wrong, let's wait and see, eh?
 
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