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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Not funding school transportation here didn't seem to hurt anyone. Then again, I don't live in a ghetto so I can only speak to my specific situation. They eliminated school bus service at all closer to, I think, 2 miles from school. You cannot ride a bus under any circumstances, no matter how much you pay, unless you are disabled, if you live closer to school than that. Anyone else outside of that radius has to pay to ride the bus if they want. It is the responsibility of the parents to get their children to school. Welcome to personal responsibility.
    Which you cherry pick. If you truly believed in people paying their own way, then people would have to pay the full costs of educating their own children which is not how our current system operates. A lot of the costs are migrated due to it being spread through society. If people had to pay the full costs to educate their child(ren) only a small sector of people would have educated children. Enough with the me only attitude.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Which you cherry pick. If you truly believed in people paying their own way, then people would have to pay the full costs of educating their own children which is not how our current system operates. A lot of the costs are migrated due to it being spread through society. If people had to pay the full costs to educate their child(ren) only a small sector of people would have educated children. Enough with the me only attitude.
    My property taxes pay for the education of my children. If I wanted to put them into a private school, I'd pay both my taxes and the full cost of their private education. I could afford it too, but they happen to have excellent public schools available to them so I don't make that choice.

    This is really getting rather silly. You're not responding to what I'm saying, you're going "but wait! What about this?"
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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    My property taxes pay for the education of my children. If I wanted to put them into a private school, I'd pay both my taxes and the full cost of their private education. I could afford it too, but they happen to have excellent public schools available to them so I don't make that choice.

    This is really getting rather silly. You're not responding to what I'm saying, you're going "but wait! What about this?"
    HA, you're the one not responding to what is being said. The whole theme you tried to argue is I don't need to pay for others just myself.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    HA, you're the one not responding to what is being said. The whole theme you tried to argue is I don't need to pay for others just myself.
    It's that everyone needs to be personally and fiscally responsible to pay for themselves. Welcome to reality.
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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's that everyone needs to be personally and fiscally responsible to pay for themselves. Welcome to reality.
    Right, and that is why I mentioned it would be unaffordable for most Americans to pay the full costs of educating their children, hence the need to migrate those costs across society.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Right, and that is why I mentioned it would be unaffordable for most Americans to pay the full costs of educating their children, hence the need to migrate those costs across society.
    Then maybe most Americans need to get their act in gear and be more responsible.
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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then maybe most Americans need to get their act in gear and be more responsible.
    Circular logic.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    HA, you're the one not responding to what is being said. The whole theme you tried to argue is I don't need to pay for others just myself.
    He has no reason to pay for them though. They are not his children, not his responsibility, and not his concern if they get educated or not. Could it affect him? Without doubt, but in the end, you can not claim he should be held responsible for something he isn't otherwise responsible for.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    He has no reason to pay for them though. They are not his children, not his responsibility, and not his concern if they get educated or not. Could it affect him? Without doubt, but in the end, you can not claim he should be held responsible for something he isn't otherwise responsible for.
    It's a shift of philosophy. Education is publicly funded as in through the public/community. Now some believe that individuals should pay for full costs. Most people are not this extreme with their thinking as they know it is not realistic.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Circular logic.
    Realistic expectations.
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