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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Obamacare is minuscule in its scope compared to the Great Society. For example, Medicare is not just the largest socialized health program in America, it is the largest socialized health program on earth. Johnson signed into law 40 anti-poverty programs and 60 education programs. Half of the federal government today was enacted in the 4 years he was in office.

    HIGHER EDUCATION FACILITIES ACT OF 1963 DEC. 16, 1963

    PREVENTION & ABATEMENT OF AIR POLLUTION
    (THE CLEAN AIR ACT) DEC. 17, 1963

    VOCATIONAL EDUCATION ACT OF 1963 DEC. 18, 1963

    INTER-AMERICAN DEVELOPMENT BANK ACT JAN. 22,1964

    CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964 JULY 2, 1964

    URBAN MASS TRANSPORTATION ACT OF 1964 JULY 9, 1964

    FEDERAL-AID HIGHWAY ACT OF 1964 AUG. 13, 1964

    CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACT OF 1964 AUG. 20, 1964

    FOOD STAMP ACT OF 1964 AUG. 31, 1964

    WILDERNESS ACT SEPT. 3, 1964

    NATIONAL ARTS CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT ACT OF 1964 SEPT. 3, 1964

    MANPOWER ACT OF 1965 APRIL 26, 1965

    OLDER AMERICANS ACT OF 1965 JULY 14, 1965

    SOCIAL SECURITY AMENDMENTS OF 1965 JULY 30, 1965

    VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965 AUG. 6, 1965

    HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT ACT OF 1965 AUG. 10, 1965

    PUBLIC WORKS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACT OF 1965 AUG. 26, 1965

    DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT ACT SEPT. 9, 1965

    NATIONAL FOUNDATION ON THE ARTS & THE HUMANITIES
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    CONTROL ACT OCT. 2, 1965

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    CHILD NUTRITION ACT OF 1966 OCT. 11, 1966

    CHILD PROTECTION ACT OF 1966 NOV. 3, 1966

    NATIONAL SCHOOL LUNCH ACT MAY 8, 1968

    Obama is a Goldwater Conservative compared to LBJ. Most people today do not realize how far to the right both parties have moved in the last 40 years. For the Republicans it started with Reagan, then the Gingrich Congress, and now with the Tea Party. With the Democrats the transition resulted from the DLC in the 80s and 90s.
    If Obama was as far to the right as you say, there would be no need for the Tea Party.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If Obama was as far to the right as you say, there would be no need for the Tea Party.
    The Tea Party is nothing new. Its nothing but the old Religious Right repackaged. Every time a Dem gets in office the far right starts screaming communism. They did it while JFK was in office, they did it while LBJ was in office, they did it while Clinton was in office and they are doing it today. It is nothing new. I don't think Obama is a right winger. I am just pointing out that he is not as far to the left as many other presidents in the 20th Century were.
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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The Tea Party is nothing new. Its nothing but the old Religious Right repackaged. Every time a Dem gets in office the far right starts screaming communism. They did it while JFK was in office, they did it while LBJ was in office, they did it while Clinton was in office and they are doing it today. It is nothing new.
    Yes, yes, they are all the same. Religious Right, Communists, Tea Party. All the same. Got it.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Many factors affect one's outlook about various things - history, current events, politics, religion, media, family & friends, personal character traits, life experiences, environment, upbringing, education, etc. etc. etc.

    Just curious. Nothing ulterior, just curiosity.

    What is your outlook re the future of the United States of America - and maybe why?

    Very Optimistic
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    Dunno
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    Very Pessimistic
    Very optimistic. Why am I optimistic? Because the USA is still best place in the world to live.
    "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice"---Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I think you need to read up more on the Great Society then. Its scope was well beyond anything the Obama Administration has pushed for. Moreover, the New Deal was as well. Its not like Obama in response to the Great Recession put tens of Millions of Americans to work for the federal government.

    That all said, I have no doubt that in California there are some extremely liberal Democrats. I think I would be a conservative if I lived in California. However, they are not in any way representative of the party as a whole anymore.
    Well, as a Baby Boomer, I've lived through the initiatives, and I've listened to the debates, so I do have some working knowledge of LBJ's Great Society. I do think there is a difference between what has been accomplished, certainly. But I suppose the question relates to President Obama and what he has proposed, versus what he has accomplished.

    If the measure is "accomplished" I can see where one might suggest President Obama does not measure up to the liberalism of LBJ. If the measure is "proposed", I think President Obama stacks up quite well.

    There are massive changes in society taking place as a direct result of President Obama's intiatives. Again, from education, to energy, to environment, to government roles in family and government roles in business. These aren't small moves, these are society changing moves, much like those put in place during LBJ's administration. I think it's a mistake, or an omission by design, to suggest otherwise.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well, as a Baby Boomer, I've lived through the initiatives, and I've listened to the debates, so I do have some working knowledge of LBJ's Great Society. I do think there is a difference between what has been accomplished, certainly. But I suppose the question relates to President Obama and what he has proposed, versus what he has accomplished.

    If the measure is "accomplished" I can see where one might suggest President Obama does not measure up to the liberalism of LBJ. If the measure is "proposed", I think President Obama stacks up quite well.

    There are massive changes in society taking place as a direct result of President Obama's intiatives. Again, from education, to energy, to environment, to government roles in family and government roles in business. These aren't small moves, these are society changing moves, much like those put in place during LBJ's administration. I think it's a mistake, or an omission by design, to suggest otherwise.
    The fact that Obama said upfront that he wanted to "fundamentally transform America," should have been a wakeup call to everyone that loves our Country and what it stands for. We were warned, and it is taking place! Unfortunately I would have preferred that statement to be merely braggadocio, rather than actual. :

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    The fact that Obama said upfront that he wanted to "fundamentally transform America," should have been a wakeup call to everyone that loves our Country and what it stands for. We were warned, and it is taking place! Unfortunately I would have preferred that statement to be merely braggadocio, rather than actual. :
    Yes, fundamentally changing the most successful country in world history should have given many pause for thought. You don't know what you got til it's gone.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Nice list of donors. If you care to take the time, you will discover some of the most prolific Progressive operations on the planet. All part of the great Soros Progressive Machine. Check out the Ford Foudation for example. Interesting how they and George Soros are joined at the hip in so many of these trusts and "charitible" organizations. You should learn about Soros' Democracy Alliance.

    Then there's the Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors, the Progressive brains behind the California Education Policy Fund.

    As I have been writing, the information you're counting on has all been prepared by those who have a bias, and an interest in more money the CTA is trying to confiscate from taxpayers in California. The Prop 13 story is complete BS. Nothing presented by these highly dubious sources stands up to the smell test. The facts are inescapable.

    I have to tell you I am VERY informed and involved in these matters in California, and you truely are in a no-win scenario with this issue you're attempting to debate.
    . Um, I gave you two sources about prop 13 that were from conservative sources. Not only are you unwillingly to admit to that, now you are unwillingly to look at hard numbers about per pupil spending because you are trying to connect Ed Source to Soros in some bizzaro way. Sources don't create the formula that is used for per pupil spending. Talk about willful ignorance.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    . Um, I gave you two sources about prop 13 that were from conservative sources. Not only are you unwillingly to admit to that, now you are unwillingly to look at hard numbers about per pupil spending because you are trying to connect Ed Source to Soros in some bizzaro way. Sources don't create the formula that is used for per pupil spending. Talk about willful ignorance.
    Your sources were not convervative, but that makes no difference. EdSource is a Progressive organization backed by Progressive groups. Many of those Progressive groups are directly connected to George Soros and his Progressive Machine operations. I've suggested you look into Soros Democracy Alliance, but apparently you have decided to claim the connection bizzaro, rather than learning for yourself.

    Nothing I have posted is not backed up facts available directly from actual sources. Your sources, on the other hand, are directly connected to source with money in the game. Not a good place to get accurate information.

    So be it.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Your sources were not convervative, but that makes no difference. EdSource is a Progressive organization backed by Progressive groups. Many of those Progressive groups are directly connected to George Soros and his Progressive Machine operations. I've suggested you look into Soros Democracy Alliance, but apparently you have decided to claim the connection bizzaro, rather than learning for yourself.

    Nothing I have posted is not backed up facts available directly from actual sources. Your sources, on the other hand, are directly connected to source with money in the game. Not a good place to get accurate information.

    So be it.
    A crock of BS. You have not stated different per pupil spending!!! You just tried to pull an ad hominem with mine. GO ahead, I dare you to post something saying CA is different in per pupil spending than what is reported by several other sources. Go ahead....give me ONE. TIA

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