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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    All empires eventually fail. It may take hundreds of years but all empires eventually fall apart. Sadly I think we're already headed that way.
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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : However, one has to assume that the followers must be like-minded, or they wouldn't buy into it. What's scary to me is they want control of the children at earlier and earlier ages all the time. Now it's pre-preschool? Teaching them that it's okay to hate each other ...what a sick society we are devolving into! I'm beginning to think that being taught "reading, writing, and arithmetic" by robots who have no emotional ax to grind might be the solution! When did the tide change that absolved parents from their responsibilities?
    When did the tide change? Well, despite the good intensions, it could be argued it started on August 20, 1964.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    When did the tide change? Well, despite the good intensions, it could be argued it started on August 20, 1964.
    I had to google the date it because nothing came to mind. Are you referring to President Johnson signing the Economic Opportunity Act? If so, you're probably right!

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well, certainly Democrats share nothing in common with what was called Democrat 30 years ago. For example, the radicals known as Progressives have infected the Democrat party, and seem hellbent on creating more economic problems like they have in California. When the citizens in the other 49 states truley understand the damage they are causing, they will eliminate the movement, just as it was eliminated in the early 1900's.

    IMO, these are cyclic societal outbreaks that are no different than those of the past, and from which the country will return from, as it continues with it's capitalist and freedom focused foundation.
    By and large, today's Democratic Party is not nearly as liberal as it once was. For example, LBJ was well to the left of Obama. FDR was well to the left of any modern Democrat. The only area where Democrats are more liberal today is on some social issues.
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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I had to google the date it because nothing came to mind. Are you referring to President Johnson signing the Economic Opportunity Act? If so, you're probably right!


    When the government said, "don't worry about it", far too many agreed to follow the instruction.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    By and large, today's Democratic Party is not nearly as liberal as it once was. For example, LBJ was well to the left of Obama. FDR was well to the left of any modern Democrat. The only area where Democrats are more liberal today is on some social issues.
    Well, I'm not sure I can agree completely. I see a tremendous tilt towards Progressivism, which is certainly more liberal than what I consider was the standard among Democrats before. There continues to be a massive increase in regulatory powers, and those societal issues aren't just window dressing, but represent significant changes.

    Of course then there is Obamacare, which some would argue far overshadows any Great Society objective LBJ set.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well, I'm not sure I can agree completely. I see a tremendous tilt towards Progressivism, which is certainly more liberal than what I consider was the standard among Democrats before. There continues to be a massive increase in regulatory powers, and those societal issues aren't just window dressing, but represent significant changes.

    Of course then there is Obamacare, which some would argue far overshadows any Great Society objective LBJ set.
    Obamacare is minuscule in its scope compared to the Great Society. For example, Medicare is not just the largest socialized health program in America, it is the largest socialized health program on earth. Johnson signed into law 40 anti-poverty programs and 60 education programs. Half of the federal government today was enacted in the 4 years he was in office.

    HIGHER EDUCATION FACILITIES ACT OF 1963 DEC. 16, 1963

    PREVENTION & ABATEMENT OF AIR POLLUTION
    (THE CLEAN AIR ACT) DEC. 17, 1963

    VOCATIONAL EDUCATION ACT OF 1963 DEC. 18, 1963

    INTER-AMERICAN DEVELOPMENT BANK ACT JAN. 22,1964

    CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964 JULY 2, 1964

    URBAN MASS TRANSPORTATION ACT OF 1964 JULY 9, 1964

    FEDERAL-AID HIGHWAY ACT OF 1964 AUG. 13, 1964

    CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACT OF 1964 AUG. 20, 1964

    FOOD STAMP ACT OF 1964 AUG. 31, 1964

    WILDERNESS ACT SEPT. 3, 1964

    NATIONAL ARTS CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT ACT OF 1964 SEPT. 3, 1964

    MANPOWER ACT OF 1965 APRIL 26, 1965

    OLDER AMERICANS ACT OF 1965 JULY 14, 1965

    SOCIAL SECURITY AMENDMENTS OF 1965 JULY 30, 1965

    VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965 AUG. 6, 1965

    HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT ACT OF 1965 AUG. 10, 1965

    PUBLIC WORKS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACT OF 1965 AUG. 26, 1965

    DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT ACT SEPT. 9, 1965

    NATIONAL FOUNDATION ON THE ARTS & THE HUMANITIES
    ACT OF 1965 SEPT. 29, 1965

    AMENDMENT OF FEDERAL WATER POLLUTION
    CONTROL ACT OCT. 2, 1965

    AMENDMENT TO THE IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT OCT. 3, 1965

    HIGHER EDUCATION ACT OF 1965 NOV. 8, 1965

    CHILD NUTRITION ACT OF 1966 OCT. 11, 1966

    CHILD PROTECTION ACT OF 1966 NOV. 3, 1966

    NATIONAL SCHOOL LUNCH ACT MAY 8, 1968

    Obama is a Goldwater Conservative compared to LBJ. Most people today do not realize how far to the right both parties have moved in the last 40 years. For the Republicans it started with Reagan, then the Gingrich Congress, and now with the Tea Party. With the Democrats the transition resulted from the DLC in the 80s and 90s.
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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Obamacare is minuscule in its scope compared to the Great Society. For example, Medicare is not just the largest socialized health program in America, it is the largest socialized health program on earth. Johnson signed into law 40 anti-poverty programs and 60 education programs. Half of the federal government today was enacted in the 4 years he was in office.

    HIGHER EDUCATION FACILITIES ACT OF 1963 DEC. 16, 1963

    PREVENTION & ABATEMENT OF AIR POLLUTION
    (THE CLEAN AIR ACT) DEC. 17, 1963

    VOCATIONAL EDUCATION ACT OF 1963 DEC. 18, 1963

    INTER-AMERICAN DEVELOPMENT BANK ACT JAN. 22,1964

    CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964 JULY 2, 1964

    URBAN MASS TRANSPORTATION ACT OF 1964 JULY 9, 1964

    FEDERAL-AID HIGHWAY ACT OF 1964 AUG. 13, 1964

    CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACT OF 1964 AUG. 20, 1964

    FOOD STAMP ACT OF 1964 AUG. 31, 1964

    WILDERNESS ACT SEPT. 3, 1964

    NATIONAL ARTS CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT ACT OF 1964 SEPT. 3, 1964

    MANPOWER ACT OF 1965 APRIL 26, 1965

    OLDER AMERICANS ACT OF 1965 JULY 14, 1965

    SOCIAL SECURITY AMENDMENTS OF 1965 JULY 30, 1965

    VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965 AUG. 6, 1965

    HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT ACT OF 1965 AUG. 10, 1965

    PUBLIC WORKS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACT OF 1965 AUG. 26, 1965

    DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT ACT SEPT. 9, 1965

    NATIONAL FOUNDATION ON THE ARTS & THE HUMANITIES
    ACT OF 1965 SEPT. 29, 1965

    AMENDMENT OF FEDERAL WATER POLLUTION
    CONTROL ACT OCT. 2, 1965

    AMENDMENT TO THE IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT OCT. 3, 1965

    HIGHER EDUCATION ACT OF 1965 NOV. 8, 1965

    CHILD NUTRITION ACT OF 1966 OCT. 11, 1966

    CHILD PROTECTION ACT OF 1966 NOV. 3, 1966

    NATIONAL SCHOOL LUNCH ACT MAY 8, 1968

    Obama is a Goldwater Conservative compared to LBJ. Most people today do not realize how far to the right both parties have moved in the last 40 years. For the Republicans it started with Reagan, then the Gingrich Congress, and now with the Tea Party. With the Democrats the transition resulted from the DLC in the 80s and 90s.
    Since there are those who argue Obamacare was designed to open the door to single payer, such a result would play pretty well against the various programs you listed.

    I think it's a stretch past the breaking point to suggest Obama is a Goldwater Conservative compared to LBJ. When one looks at initiatives involving education, environment, "social justice", etc., there are some seriously liberal/progressive ideologies in force, with profound impacts on every person living in the U.S., not just those the government deemed needy in the '60's.

    With such agendas at work, I'm thinking "far to the right" is a phrase that is completely vacant from any reference to President Obama.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Since there are those who argue Obamacare was designed to open the door to single payer, such a result would play pretty well against the various programs you listed.

    I think it's a stretch past the breaking point to suggest Obama is a Goldwater Conservative compared to LBJ. When one looks at initiatives involving education, environment, "social justice", etc., there are some seriously liberal/progressive ideologies in force, with profound impacts on every person living in the U.S., not just those the government deemed needy in the '60's.

    With such agendas at work, I'm thinking "far to the right" is a phrase that is completely vacant from any reference to President Obama.
    I think you need to read up more on the Great Society then. Its scope was well beyond anything the Obama Administration has pushed for. Moreover, the New Deal was as well. Its not like Obama in response to the Great Recession put tens of Millions of Americans to work for the federal government.

    That all said, I have no doubt that in California there are some extremely liberal Democrats. I think I would be a conservative if I lived in California. However, they are not in any way representative of the party as a whole anymore.
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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    By and large, today's Democratic Party is not nearly as liberal as it once was. For example, LBJ was well to the left of Obama. FDR was well to the left of any modern Democrat. The only area where Democrats are more liberal today is on some social issues.
    LBJ was never referred to as 'The Food Stamp President", though his policies likely led to this. Nor did he every make a world apology tour for America. Johnson also had the decency to quit before he dug the hole deeper.

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