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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Complete BS. I find it funny you blame the California Teachers Association as "responsible for the demise of quality education in the state." Fact, CA spends 49th in the nation as far as per pupil spending. Construction is not counted as part of that expenditure for any state so such a pathetic red herring That sounds incredibly desperate to use. Again, FACT---CA spends less on per pupil spending than 49 other states. Then you gave me a link that proves jack. Many states including my own are using funds to prepare for mandates from the federal government to be prepared to test students by a certain time (has been extended in many places) on national standards. THAT has nothing to do with CA as an individual state. Many places are scurrying to get their technology up to date. If the students in that district can use it for other things, that may be a good thing since technology is important in this day and age, but after reading that article it sounds like they may only be able to afford those devices for test taking. That I find as a waste of money and truly sad.

    http://www.parcconline.org/sites/par...V2dot1_FAQ.pdf
    The "ranking" your depending on is based on a selective "teaching staff expenditure per pupil", which is about as bogus a pile of BS as possible. Gee, I guess that's the only spending on education there is in the state. Nothing on administrators, nothing for maintenance, infrastructure, iPads, etc., etc.

    In teaching staff expenditure per pupil, California ranked 49th of 51.

    I'm sorry to write that your using nothing but crap prepared by sources seeking more funds as a reward for the dismal job they do here.

    For one moment, think about this fact. Teachers in California are among the highest paid in the Nation. The k-12 population in the state has been dropping, and is not expected to increase for many years.

    With just these simple facts, how is it possible for California to be ranked 49th out of 51 states and D.C.?

    Insanity, and I'm sorry to see another victim of this tripe from the CTA and the people they own in Sacramento. 49th?

    They built a $500 million High School, and that doesn't count?

    Should L.A.'s Billion Dollar Schools be Investigated?: Full Disclosure Network® Report -- LOS ANGELES, Aug. 25 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The "ranking" your depending on is based on a selective "teaching staff expenditure per pupil", which is about as bogus a pile of BS as possible. Gee, I guess that's the only spending on education there is in the state. Nothing on administrators, nothing for maintenance, infrastructure, iPads, etc., etc.

    In teaching staff expenditure per pupil, California ranked 49th of 51.

    I'm sorry to write that your using nothing but crap prepared by sources seeking more funds as a reward for the dismal job they do here.

    For one moment, think about this fact. Teachers in California are among the highest paid in the Nation. The k-12 population in the state has been dropping, and is not expected to increase for many years.

    With just these simple facts, how is it possible for California to be ranked 49th out of 51 states and D.C.?

    Insanity, and I'm sorry to see another victim of this tripe from the CTA and the people they own in Sacramento. 49th?

    They built a $500 million High School, and that doesn't count?

    Should L.A.'s Billion Dollar Schools be Investigated?: Full Disclosure Network® Report -- LOS ANGELES, Aug. 25 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --
    The per pupil spending formula is a standard formula used by all public schools. Not something CA invented and is being 'selective' about. Again, maintenance is separate funding from per pupil expenditures. I'm waiting for you to show me what fund(s) that came from in your state, because many times it can and is funded by federal grants. Also, it is commonly known that high cost of living states pay higher teacher salaries, and lower cost of living states pay less. I also stated the fact that the population is dropping doesn't mean much for cost that have accrued over the years and need to be addressed now.
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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The per pupil spending formula is a standard formula used by all public schools. Not something CA invented and is being 'selective'. Again, maintenance is separate funding from per pupil expenditures. I'm waiting for you to show me what fund(s) that came from in your state, because many times it can and is funded by federal grants. Also, it is commonly known that high cost of living states pay higher teacher salaries and low cost of living states pay less. I also stated that the fact the population is dropping doesn't mean much for cost that have accrued over the years and need to be attended to now.
    The 49th ranking has nothing to do with actual spending per pupil. Look it up. The wiki link I posted says as much.

    Look at the "study" that produced the lie the California Teachers union has spread, along with the administrators in Sacramento.

    Obviously talking points are the foundation for the position so many take on this issue.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The 49th ranking has nothing to do with actual spending per pupil. Look it up. The wiki link I posted says as much.

    Look at the "study" that produced the lie the California Teachers union has spread, along with the administrators in Sacramento.

    Obviously talking points are the foundation for the position so many take on this issue.
    What on earth does a Wiki link have to do with per pupil spending besides it NOT stating updated information for such spending?

    What study may that be? Link please.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    What on earth does a Wiki link have to do with per pupil spending besides it NOT stating updated information for such spending?

    What study may that be? Link please.
    What study? The one that resulted in California being ranked 49th. Do you just read such headlines and buy them at face value? Got to love it.

    When the California Constitutuion requires the State the earmark 40% of the state budget on education, do you accept that the most populous state in the union, the one with the highest taxes and fees, somehow has among the worst spending in the nation on education?

    Here's a hint at who does these "studies":

    California national rank on per-pupil spending abysmal, but tide is poised to change

    "Factor in cost-of-living considerations and California's place in the pecking order among all 50 states and the District of Columbia is a dismal 49. That's ahead of only Nevada and Utah,according to a widely cited annual January report by Education Week. (Per-pupil spending figures from Education Week include state and local funds, but not federal money, or funds for capital improvements.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    What study? The one that resulted in California being ranked 49th. Do you just read such headlines and buy them at face value? Got to love it.

    When the California Constitutuion requires the State the earmark 40% of the state budget on education, do you accept that the most populous state in the union, the one with the highest taxes and fees, somehow has among the worst spending in the nation on education?

    Here's a hint at who does these "studies":

    California national rank on per-pupil spending abysmal, but tide is poised to change

    "Factor in cost-of-living considerations and California's place in the pecking order among all 50 states and the District of Columbia is a dismal 49. That's ahead of only Nevada and Utah,according to a widely cited annual January report by Education Week. (Per-pupil spending figures from Education Week include state and local funds, but not federal money, or funds for capital improvements.
    Interesting because I got my information from EdSource which has zero union backing/funding. As a matter of fact it is funded through Major Donors.

    The work of EdSource is made possible through the generous support of private and family foundations, corporations, and individuals. We gratefully acknowledge the following donors for their recent investment in our mission and in our work. http://edsource.org/today/major-donors#.Ut7_DrI8KK0

    Glad to see my source was backed up from a second source.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    What study? The one that resulted in California being ranked 49th. Do you just read such headlines and buy them at face value? Got to love it.

    When the California Constitutuion requires the State the earmark 40% of the state budget on education, do you accept that the most populous state in the union, the one with the highest taxes and fees, somehow has among the worst spending in the nation on education?

    Here's a hint at who does these "studies":

    California national rank on per-pupil spending abysmal, but tide is poised to change

    "Factor in cost-of-living considerations and California's place in the pecking order among all 50 states and the District of Columbia is a dismal 49. That's ahead of only Nevada and Utah,according to a widely cited annual January report by Education Week. (Per-pupil spending figures from Education Week include state and local funds, but not federal money, or funds for capital improvements.
    Greetings, ocean515.

    I always enjoy reading things that end with... "the tide is poised to change." They kinda never seem to say when, though!

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Interesting because I got my information from EdSource which has zero union backing/funding. As a matter of fact it is funded through Major Donors.

    The work of EdSource is made possible through the generous support of private and family foundations, corporations, and individuals. We gratefully acknowledge the following donors for their recent investment in our mission and in our work. Major Donors | EdSource Today

    Glad to see my source was backed up from a second source.
    Nice list of donors. If you care to take the time, you will discover some of the most prolific Progressive operations on the planet. All part of the great Soros Progressive Machine. Check out the Ford Foudation for example. Interesting how they and George Soros are joined at the hip in so many of these trusts and "charitible" organizations. You should learn about Soros' Democracy Alliance.

    Then there's the Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors, the Progressive brains behind the California Education Policy Fund.

    As I have been writing, the information you're counting on has all been prepared by those who have a bias, and an interest in more money the CTA is trying to confiscate from taxpayers in California. The Prop 13 story is complete BS. Nothing presented by these highly dubious sources stands up to the smell test. The facts are inescapable.

    I have to tell you I am VERY informed and involved in these matters in California, and you truely are in a no-win scenario with this issue you're attempting to debate.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, ocean515.

    I always enjoy reading things that end with... "the tide is poised to change." They kinda never seem to say when, though!


    Morning Polgara

    Well, the tide did change by raising taxes.....again.

    The last election saw Gov. Brown's "education" tax increase on the rich pass with a promise some of the money would actually find it's way there. Interestingly, another measure designed to specifically benefit education, but required a tax increase on all, went down to defeat.

    In essence, voters said they didn't want to pay for their childrens education, they wanted the rich to pay for it.

    I don't know, but that's an interesting kind of tide, when one considers the amount of hate Progressives are instructing their followers to have towards those they are requiring to educate their children.

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    Re: What is your level of optimism concerning the future of the United States of Amer

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Morning Polgara

    Well, the tide did change by raising taxes.....again.

    The last election saw Gov. Brown's "education" tax increase on the rich pass with a promise some of the money would actually find it's way there. Interestingly, another measure designed to specifically benefit education, but required a tax increase on all, went down to defeat.

    In essence, voters said they didn't want to pay for their childrens education, they wanted the rich to pay for it.

    I don't know, but that's an interesting kind of tide, when one considers the amount of hate Progressives are instructing their followers to have towards those they are requiring to educate their children.
    : However, one has to assume that the followers must be like-minded, or they wouldn't buy into it. What's scary to me is they want control of the children at earlier and earlier ages all the time. Now it's pre-preschool? Teaching them that it's okay to hate each other ...what a sick society we are devolving into! I'm beginning to think that being taught "reading, writing, and arithmetic" by robots who have no emotional ax to grind might be the solution! When did the tide change that absolved parents from their responsibilities?

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